Blue Mage: Are you kidding me!?

[Starcake28]

I'm not even going to attempt to read that. Learn English please.

Here's the problem with BLU. I'm not opposed to it being "limited". I'm not opposed to it being "solo". I'm not opposed to locking it out of raid content. My big issue with BLU is that THERE ISN'T ENOUGH SOLO CONTENT IN THE GAME TO JUSTIFY BLU'S EXISTENCE AS IS. As it currently stands, the only things you can do with BLU are: kill overworld enemies, use party finder to do SOME basic dungeons, beat masked carnivale. That's it. That's not bad game design, that's TERRIBLE game design. Once you beat the masked carnivale, there's absolutely no reason to continue playing BLU. If they wanted to follow through with this design concept, they need to add FAR more solo content for BLU to participate in. For example, make BLU OP and give them the ability to cover all three roles in a dungeon while restricting party play altogether. Or ffs at least allow it to do the only fun solo content in the game, deep dungeons. If you're going to design BLU as a "solo" class, then you need to go all in. If you try to do everything, you'll achieve nothing. Actually tune BLU to do all content solo and treat it separately from party play. For example, have a world-first limited job race AND a world-first party race for current raid content. Limited jobs could be treated separately from party play and it would be its own thing at the same time as being just as viable and valid as any other job in the game.

TL;DR If you're going to create a solo-oriented job, there needs to be content to justify it.

Tht is English this is texting learn it

[Starcake28]

I'm not even going to attempt to read that. Learn English please.

Here's the problem with BLU. I'm not opposed to it being "limited". I'm not opposed to it being "solo". I'm not opposed to locking it out of raid content. My big issue with BLU is that THERE ISN'T ENOUGH SOLO CONTENT IN THE GAME TO JUSTIFY BLU'S EXISTENCE AS IS. As it currently stands, the only things you can do with BLU are: kill overworld enemies, use party finder to do SOME basic dungeons, beat masked carnivale. That's it. That's not bad game design, that's TERRIBLE game design. Once you beat the masked carnivale, there's absolutely no reason to continue playing BLU. If they wanted to follow through with this design concept, they need to add FAR more solo content for BLU to participate in. For example, make BLU OP and give them the ability to cover all three roles in a dungeon while restricting party play altogether. Or ffs at least allow it to do the only fun solo content in the game, deep dungeons. If you're going to design BLU as a "solo" class, then you need to go all in. If you try to do everything, you'll achieve nothing. Actually tune BLU to do all content solo and treat it separately from party play. For example, have a world-first limited job race AND a world-first party race for current raid content. Limited jobs could be treated separately from party play and it would be its own thing at the same time as being just as viable and valid as any other job in the game.

TL;DR If you're going to create a solo-oriented job, there needs to be content to justify it.

And H***No thy don't need to be Op just learn how to balance and stop trying to look at other jobs in game and just gave players the jobs thy want

[Starcake28]

You can't Que up to Solo Dungeons (Blue Mages can't use Duty Finder which as you guess it the ability to go in your Self) ever go unsych that is the only way in for Solo.

Wrong you can queue up to try to solo try it i done it on SMN there's a lock you have to change. you can change it to 1 player also whn thy was saying duty finder thy mean duty roulette. Tht's wat thy not letting blue mage do like random queue with random ppl

[Starcake28]

Ceall your Wrong again go back to FF11 do blue mage without sub job thn tell me tht. all your looking at is sub job support remove sub job want to be smart guy. You males sometimes don't think before you do things 75% of the time

[Starcake28]

You've completely missed the point.
There's currently not much solo content because there's no job capable of soloing it all. Blue Mage is what makes all content solo content.

Lol we will see soon how much blue mage can solo going to try extreme mode of Titan =^_-= see if blue mage can solo it

[Kalise]

I think my main issue with BLU is the fact that they were limited based on what appears to be a completely stupid reason.

Yoshida: If we were to implement BLU as a normal job, there would be restrictions like "I can't raid until i learn all my new moves" or "I can't go to dungeons because i haven't learned those AoEs". You might think "I'm fine with that" at first, but you have to do that for every expansion. Everyone else is farming while you are learning to get to the startline, and it ends up being just annoying. Then what happens? The world fist teams won't use BLU. That doesn't mean we can just let BLUs have magic with extremely tilted synergies, because then BLU just becomes mandatory. If we are put in that situation where BLU has to be treated as a normal job, you won't be able to play BLU the way it's supposed to be fun.

Like, this reasoning behind limiting them, is that they assume everyone just wants to rush to max level and start grinding and raiding straight away. So BLU can't be like a normal class because instead of rushing straight to level cap and raids, you have to spend some time to go and learn your new spells.

Which is complete BS if you ask me. Personally, I don't rush to max level. I do a lot of solo content. By all accounts BLU is a great class for me. But, it's prohibited from regular play because... World First raid groups won't take them?

I honestly find that excuse to be an absolute farce. Like, sure, BLU mains would have to spend a bit more time to go get their new spells, but surely, that's part of the charm that made them become BLU mains in the first place? If people didn't want to be held back by having to spend time going and learning their new spells, they'd main one of the other 15 classes.

Personally, I'd love to go around hunting for spells to learn. Getting spells X, Y and Z so I can participate in Duty Finder stuff as well as getting spells A, B and C so I can go into Raids. Irregardless of how much longer it would take for me to get there (Which will likely take longer than most, given that I'm a tank main first and foremost so at best BLU would be my secondary job)

All in all... I'm feeling kind of meh about BLU as it stands.

It'll probably be fun to play for a bit and I'll likely collect all the spells kind of like how I've done the Hunt Logs and plan on finishing up the Sightseeing Log. But the lack of normal content usage means I'm less inclined to do much more with it (Especially between leveling all 15 other real classes and then farming for every single relic weapon and doing crafting stuff and achievement hunting and farming reputation and a million other things I like to do)

[Ceallach]

My point is: either go all in and make BLU completely solo-oriented, or brute force it into the tank/dps/healer paradigm. You can't have both.

Apparently we can. I'm not sure you noticed, but at least half of this game is solo content (crafting, gathering, housing, glamour, quests in general). This isn't FINAL FANTASY XI.

What's not true? That Death isn't a defining spell of Black Magic? It was a Black Mage spell in the very first Final Fantasy, so if that's not iconic to the job, why is Lv5 Death iconic to BLU?

But was it a black magic spell in every FINAL FANTASY game with a black mage? Not in FINAL FANTASY V, dark knight got it in FINAL FANTASY X-2 instead of black mage, and it's arcane magick in FINAL FANTASY XII. I'd also like to point out that an MMORPG isn't the best setting for a Death spell in general, so blue mage getting Level 5 Death within its Limited Job context is fine, but black mage getting Death in Shadowbringers probably would not be. Maybe later on (black mage in FINAL FANTASY XI did get Death from Job Points).

In the meantime, blue mage got both Doom and Level 5 Death in FINAL FANTASY V, Strago gets both in FINAL FANTASY VI, Quistis gets Level ? Death where ? can be anything from 5 to 1 depending on her desperation in FINAL FANTASY VIII, Quina gets both in FINAL FANTASY IX, Khimari gets Doom in FINAL FANTASY X, and the blue mage in FINAL FANTASY Tactics A2: Grimoire of the Rift gets Doom.

So in nearly every appearance the black and blue mages have had, black mage gets Death and blue mage gets Doom and/or Level 5 Death. However, black mages have had Fire, Blizzard, and Thunder spells even more often than Death, so that elemental magic would stand out even over the Death spell. This is why I said earlier that you don't know the subject matter well enough to debate. I wasn't trying to be mean there, I just come off as mean because I care little for emotion in general.

[Starcake28]

Same go for blue mage was level 5 dearth in every FF Game For blue mage ceallach

[Starcake28]

Kalise Tht's what i was getting at about blue mage this director' dev's w.e just destroy blue mage halfway by saying tht blue mage can 't be a party helper supporter etc. But blue mage can be all of that. thy make the game even more fun then even job so what now.... what will they add to give ppl tht fun job back without that combo rotation system like other jobs we need things in game Tht's not like tht. Guess we just have to wait and see 14 more days left before we can see. i will say i may like this blue mage but will still hate the limited job thing if anything. And i bet blue mage in this game will not have traits

[Huntrss]

Ever Heard of proven Him Wrong. that Blue Mages can be a great help. the only thing Yoshinda Right about is it takes a little bit longer and that's it. but It'll be here on Jan. 15 and I plan on going Blue mages as soon as I log in on that day.