We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[MoroMurasaki]

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With all due respect the opinion of someone with no endgame experience on endgame content is kind of irrelevant. This would be like me saying I don't like basketball while also never doing more than perhaps watching it on tv. I have no idea if I like it because I haven't given it a chance. You're uninformed and it shows in your commentary.

[ApolloGenX]

With all due respect the opinion of someone with no endgame experience on endgame content is kind of irrelevant. This would be like me saying I don't like basketball while also never doing more than perhaps watching it on tv. I have no idea if I like it because I haven't given it a chance. You're uninformed and it shows in your commentary.

This is the same weak ad hominem that would ignore a doctor's advice that has never HAD drugs or an illness, ignore any advice unless someone had made the mistake already. In fact, in this universe the greatest words come from the biggest fools.. For some reason, you ignore the ability for any of us to go watch online encounters and form an opinion of whether that seems fun. I am happy if you enjoy this particular style of game play, more power to you. However, the attempt to discount another's perspective, unless they mirror your own experience is an unworthy position.

[MoroMurasaki]

This is the same weak ad hominem that would ignore a doctor's advice that has never HAD drugs or an illness. For some reason, you ignore the ability for any of us to go watch online encounters and form an opinion of whether that seems fun. I am happy if you enjoy this particular style of game play, more power to you. However, the attempt to discount another's perspective, unless they mirror your own experience is an unworthy position.

Please point out the ad hominem. I can wait.

You're claiming more than understanding of something you're saying it's "garbage" (a direct quote from you) without ever participating in it. Backpedal all you want but you've dug this hole. You have no experience to determine the quality of endgame content and from your "calculator" comment I'm inclined to think you may not even fully comprehend what endgame content is.

I have to assume you're referring to Construct 7 in the Ridorana Lighthouse. That is definitively not endgame. I'm not even a very good player and I've done that place drunk with my job stone removed and still outperformed many of the other players there. We had a LNC as top dps on Yiazmat (the boss after Construct 7) so like... no, that isn't endgame.

By all means unlock and queue into something like o8s and tell me that you're bored in there. Despite the script to some mechanics/damage it is the pace of a fight and the sheer number of incoming mechanics (many of which are actually varied in savage) that make the challenge real.

Endgame here is far from garbage and I won't sit here and let someone with no knowledge of it spread their rushed determination, thanks.

[ApolloGenX]

Please point out the ad hominem. I can wait.


Endgame here is far from garbage and I won't sit here and let someone with no knowledge of it spread their rushed determination, thanks.

Sure, you attacked me and my experience, making many assumptions- you didn't respond to my comments on the nature of the encounters and why I don't like them. You've clearly gotten emotional and there's no rational conversation when someone gets hysterical and defensive.

[MoroMurasaki]

Sure, you attacked me and my experience, making many assumptions- you didn't respond to my comments on the nature of the encounters and why I don't like them. You've clearly gotten emotional and there's no rational conversation when someone gets hysterical and defensive.

Lawl. Pointing out your lack of experience isn't an attack it's starting a fact. You have no experience with the content and are thus not qualified to weigh in on its quality.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

Glad you're liking the story. Everyone needs something. There was a time when I was intimidated by raiding as well but I gave it a chance and have made great friends not to mention significantly expanded the scope of my enjoyment of the game through endgame. I hope one day you get the same opportunities, good luck.

[SturmChurro]

Please point out the ad hominem. I can wait.

You're claiming more than understanding of something you're saying it's "garbage" (a direct quote from you) without ever participating in it. Backpedal all you want but you've dug this hole. You have no experience to determine the quality of endgame content and from your "calculator" comment I'm inclined to think you may not even fully comprehend what endgame content is.

I have to assume you're referring to Construct 7 in the Ridorana Lighthouse. That is definitively not endgame. I'm not even a very good player and I've done that place drunk with my job stone removed and still outperformed many of the other players there. We had a LNC as top dps on Yiazmat (the boss after Construct 7) so like... no, that isn't endgame.

By all means unlock and queue into something like o8s and tell me that you're bored in there. Despite the script to some mechanics/damage it is the pace of a fight and the sheer number of incoming mechanics (many of which are actually varied in savage) that make the challenge real.

Endgame here is far from garbage and I won't sit here and let someone with no knowledge of it spread their rushed determination, thanks.

Agreed. Watching a fight and playing the fight are two completely different things.

[WaterShield]

With all due respect the opinion of someone with no endgame experience on endgame content is kind of irrelevant. This would be like me saying I don't like basketball while also never doing more than perhaps watching it on tv. I have no idea if I like it because I haven't given it a chance. You're uninformed and it shows in your commentary.

This is the same weak ad hominem that would ignore a doctor's advice that has never HAD drugs or an illness, ignore any advice unless someone had made the mistake already. In fact, in this universe the greatest words come from the biggest fools.. For some reason, you ignore the ability for any of us to go watch online encounters and form an opinion of whether that seems fun. I am happy if you enjoy this particular style of game play, more power to you. However, the attempt to discount another's perspective, unless they mirror your own experience is an unworthy position.

No this would be the same as a person ignoring someone's advice about an illness, who because they watched someone with a fever on a video for a few minutes, believed themselves knowledgeable. Not nearly as informed as a doctor. Is your life's work of over a decade game design? Because you have stated that you have never even tried the content. This makes it hard for me to validate your opinions as facts.

[ApolloGenX]

No this would be the same as a person ignoring someone's advice about an illness, who because they watched someone with a fever on a video for a few minutes, believed themselves knowledgeable. Not nearly as informed as a doctor. Is your life's work of over a decade game design? Because you have stated that you have never even tried the content. This makes it hard for me to validate your opinions as facts.

Why would I ever ask you to validate my opinion as a fact? I expressed an opinion and it triggered a couple people in the forums. You do realize a simple "I disagree" is adequate? There is a very good reason I am not arguing your opinion... because that is pointless. You are entitled to your opinion and I fully support you in that, even if our opinions differ.

[WaterShield]

Why would I ever ask you to validate my opinion as a fact? I expressed an opinion and it triggered a couple people in the forums. You do realize a simple "I disagree" is adequate? There is a very good reason I am not arguing your opinion... because that is pointless. You are entitled to your opinion and I fully support you in that, even if our opinions differ.

Then this may be an instance where text fails to convey tone very well. The first thing I responded to seemed to be rather derisive.

I have no issue with you having an opinion that differs from mine. I simply took exception to what appeared to be an attack on a whole group of people simply because they like something you don't.

It also did read as though you were listing off facts rather than giving your opinion of something. Again this cycles back around to tone via text.