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  1. #121
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    SturmChurro's Avatar
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    Sturm Churro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niraye View Post
    if people are going to complain about mog station and buying retainers so much SE please start implementions of this :





    thank you
    $25 for a fantasia in WoW? I'd be in debt!
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  2. #122
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    Soma Kagami
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    Quote Originally Posted by KadaRemnant View Post
    I never complain and rarely post in the forums and i enjoy the game. But after seeing 2 new emotes this morning and 7 dollars each and it is xmas, it pisses me off a little.
    I felt more valued when i was playing arr and hw. Since SB we rarely get anything and everything is in the mog station.

    I thought that for xmas they would have gift us something nice to thank us and wish us a happy holidays but i'm really disappointed.
    Sorry.. It should have been mail to us or put in a quest or the starlight event.
    Imagine spending your Christmas Day lamenting that the Mogstation is unfair instead of spending that time with your family and friends, spreading good will and laughter.

    I mean, of all days and Christmas isn't exactly the day I wake up and go, "I should complain about the Mogstation today on the OF because it's more important than everything else I could be doing this day."

    /shakes her head
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  3. #123
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalwrath View Post
    ...over forum mods deleting posts that people made to try and derail the thread.
    Because not everyone posts on the official forums. Try going to reddit and browse through previous threads.

    Also, the mods deleted comments regarding the pricing of additional paid retainers. For example Adrestia's and my comments.

    They did so in a discussion about the Mog Station and pricing,etc.
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    Last edited by TwistedTea; 12-28-2018 at 12:55 AM.

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    Adrestia Skyborn
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    Wow. Never in my life have I had a single forum post deleted on any forum, and now I have three in one thread. And they didn’t send me an email or anything explaining what the purported problem was.
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  5. #125
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrestia View Post
    Wow. Never in my life have I had a single forum post deleted on any forum, and now I have three in one thread. And they didn’t send me an email or anything explaining what the purported problem was.
    I never thought, I'd have to screenshot comments here on the official forums.

    Oh well, with the new year approaching, I guess new resolution to screenshot all comments on 'hot' topics from now on.
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    Last edited by TwistedTea; 12-28-2018 at 12:09 AM.

  6. #126
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedTea View Post
    I never thought, I'd have to screenshot comments here on the official forums.

    Oh well, with the new year approaching, I guess new resolution to screenshot all comments on 'hot' topics from now on.
    Pretty sure it was because someone brought up the "T" word earlier and it starting getting off topic.

    My only real problem with the mogstation is when it overshadows what we get in game. And it's hard to see where that line is. I mean I don't really care enough to go back and count all the things they added for free compared to the ones added for premium.. But if there's a point where I'd "protest" then it's on this idea that I don't want what we get in game to be limited by what they could sell instead.
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    Last edited by whiskeybravo; 12-28-2018 at 12:22 AM.

  7. #127
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    The "T" word? What's that?

    Is... Is it "tyrannosaurus?" It is, isn't it??
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  8. #128
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGrimace View Post
    The "T" word? What's that?

    Is... Is it "tyrannosaurus?" It is, isn't it??
    A political tyrannosaurus actually. I saw some weird comments, logged in, checked the thread again...aaaaand they're gone. Event this comment might get deleted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nexxus View Post
    Buy:

    - The game
    - The expansions
    - The servants
    - The App'
    - The Mog Station
    - The Monthly susbscription

    Is it too much ?
    How much are they selling the Mog Station and the servants for. I'm fresh out of servants these days.
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    Last edited by DevonEllwood; 12-28-2018 at 01:28 AM.

  9. #129
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    Quote Originally Posted by whiskeybravo View Post
    Pretty sure it was because someone brought up the "T" word earlier and it starting getting off topic.
    I promise it wasn’t that. A troll did enter the thread later, and was not fed. The deleted posts discussed why “you can just buy the convenience in the shop, or don’t buy it if you object to it” is not a viable solution. I responded with comments very much in line with the second part of your post.
    Quote Originally Posted by whiskeybravo View Post
    My only real problem with the mogstation is when it overshadows what we get in game. And it's hard to see where that line is. I mean I don't really care enough to go back and count all the things they added for free compared to the ones added for premium.. But if there's a point where I'd "protest" then it's on this idea that I don't want what we get in game to be limited by what they could sell instead.
    As I haven’t received any communication that the content of my posts was objectionable, I’ll assume it was related to the way it was phrased and restate a bit of it. Off the top of my head with no prior source to quote, so if any of my wording was objectionable, it shouldn’t be repeated here.

    In other MMOs, current-gen and previous, subscription-based and not, things like additional storage are earned through ingame means.
    In FFXI for example, you could complete some simple quests to unlock additional inventory for your character or your house.
    In WoW, larger bags are crafted by players and sold, gifted, or traded to other players. Bags are to WoW crafters an early infusion of gold at the beginning of a patch as you sell to a mass market craving space, and then a nice trickle over time. Somewhat like crafted high end armor in XIV.

    In FFXIV, we are instead asked to pay $1/mo for additional storage, with no opportunity to complete in-game content to do so.
    If we are to accept that this is the result of the increased cost of allowing us additional storage (in terms of database and disk space), then the price should be commensurate to the cost. Multiple gigabytes of cloud storage that you can do whatever you want with and copious amounts of ingress and egress traffic to access that data can be had at market rates that show that the FFXIV offering, which is strictly limited (the only data you can put in this space is inventory in a game), provides no SLA (because it’s a game), and has no particular backup or high availability policy (because it’s a game), is not at fair market price.

    100GB of the most vanilla, bare-bones, consumer-grade storage from Google is $2.79 CDN/mo. Why is a few kilobytes $1/mo if they’re only charging because it costs to provide it? That outstrips acceptable profit margins by a few thousand percent, comparable to ISPs charging $1/GB of traffic.

    The answer is: the price we pay for additional retainer storage, “convenience” as it is called, and the fact that it is not available for us to earn in-game, are both dictated by one word. Monetization. The powers that be saw that enough players would pay for it and few enough would complain loudly enough that it was a sound business proposition to deny the ingame content and charge for it instead.

    The game design was dictated by profit, not by a desire to provide a quality gameplay experience.

    That is what is being railed against. Not the fact that there are optional extras in the shop. The fact that things that would have been in-game are instead part of a new monetization strategy.

    There will be some who will say “you can’t prove any of this, Adrestia!” If the burden of proof is set high enough, then no, I was not sitting in the strategy meetings where this was discussed. However, looking at the totality of the evidence:

    - things that were considered important enough to be in-game content in prior and competitors’ games are not available to us in this game
    - these same things are available for real dollars
    - the price we pay indicates they are receiving a several thousand percent markup

    This paints a pretty clear picture, I think.
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  10. #130
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    Lynne Asteria
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    I'd like to point out that you have the armory chest(585 slots just for gear), 140 inventory slots, 70 chocobo saddlebag slots, and 2 retainers with 175 inventory slots all free with no in game currency required to upgrade or obtain.

    Also the armoire, which holds quest and event gear.
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    Last edited by Valkyrie_Lenneth; 12-28-2018 at 01:30 AM.

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