Blue Mage: Are you kidding me!?

[Arkdra]

Thanks for sharing this quote. I think it's absolute horsesh*t, but it does give us a window into the devs' thinking about BLU.

Basically they are saying players won't want to put in the work to learn the abilities. I call shenanigans on that. If you didn't want to, you wouldn't be playing BLU to begin with.

So they're blaming the players because they're too lazy to make a balanced raid-worthy BLU.

Players already don't put any effort in and the last thing I need is some clown who slotted fish silence 24 times to be terrorizing my dr's.

[Huntrss]

Yoshida says No for good reason in the quotation I cited. It's the same counter-argument I've been saying before this, too: You can't throw BLU into a raid tier saying it's gonna fit without breaking it; let alone, I think the people would be disappointed if BLU turned out to be just another familiar caster that doesn't learn from monsters at all when it's known to. If you want a good history on it, you should go play Final Fantasy V(Job), VI(Strago), IX(Quina), X(Khimari)/X-2(Blue Bullet ability) or hell, even go play XI and you'll still find that ever since its first iteration in V, it has learned from Monsters.

I get all that and plus I can't play FFXI even though I'm scribed to it and can log in and run around and go kill things for less then oh I say a min and then I go DC, Rinse and repeat that like 3 or 4 times get to level 3 DC again. now tell me to go play FFXI again because I would love to play it over FFXIV and it hand holding on everything but then again Yoshinda will not put FFXI on Unreal Engine 4 and bump it up to now and get rid of Playonline even if people are screaming we'll take the hit and one person (Ninja) offered 1 million for SE to do so and again No from Yoshinda even though he willing to put it on Phones with Unreal Engine 4 (Oh I forgot Do we Not Have Phones). Plus I have every old FF game and get Blue Mage needs to collect spells but it's all Bull what they are doing. He afraid we will cry we need to collect spells WHY when signing up for Blue Mage we are expecting that like going into Ult-Raid and expecting it to be Easy you kind of know what your getting and wanting from it. But oh No Yoshinda Kid Gloves are still on and can't wait to Collect them all is not what He wants to hear because he be proven wrong. besides ever hear of warning before saying yes to this your going to have to work for your spells. I really expected to work from 1 to 50 to 60 to 70 to .. don't hold your breath on getting 80 any time soon in 5.X (What and Why????). we have to work hard to be held back (Work your but off, Study, get good grades and Yoshinda will not give you the A you work hard for only to give you an F and hold you back).

[HyperiusUltima]

I get all that and plus I can't play FFXI even though I'm scribed to it and can log in and run around and go kill things for less then oh I say a min and then I go DC, Rinse and repeat that like 3 or 4 times get to level 3 DC again. now tell me to go play FFXI again because I would love to play it over FFXIV and it hand holding on everything but then again Yoshinda will not put FFXI on Unreal Engine 4 and bump it up to now and get rid of Playonline even if people are screaming we'll take the hit and one person (Ninja) offered 1 million for SE to do so and again No from Yoshinda even though he willing to put it on Phones with Unreal Engine 4 (Oh I forgot Do we Not Have Phones). Plus I have every old FF game and get Blue Mage needs to collect spells but it's all Bull what they are doing. He afraid we will cry we need to collect spells WHY when signing up for Blue Mage we are expecting that like going into Ult-Raid and expecting it to be Easy you kind of know what your getting and wanting from it. But oh No Yoshinda Kid Gloves are still on and can't wait to Collect them all is not what He wants to hear because he be proven wrong. besides ever hear of warning before saying yes to this your going to have to work for your spells. I really expected to work from 1 to 50 to 60 to 70 to .. don't hold your breath on getting 80 any time soon in 5.X (What and Why????). we have to work hard to be held back (Work your but off, Study, get good grades and Yoshinda will not give you the A you work hard for only to give you an F and hold you back).

To be honest, I feel like you're just butthurt with what you're trying to say here like many others. I understand people get that, but be reasonable. He's said his part, and let me say it again: Don't fix what isn't broken. The "Limited Job" Concept is more content that should be engaging for people, but to be honest if all you're going to whine about is "My Main Job Is Side-Content" then how about you create a system in XIV where the job isn't going to be behind each expansion if you have to collect abilities?

I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I won't discuss further if all you're going to spout is hate.

[GrenGarm]

The usual way to remedy this is to make the spells automatically learned and that takes away from the learning aspect of BLU.

There are like 16 other ways that you could make sure people are equipped to handle the content they're queuing for. The devs picked the laziest possible way, both for real jobs and for BLU.

Let's be clear: The learning aspect isn't a reason. It's an excuse. There's a huge difference.

[Huntrss]

To be honest, I feel like you're just butthurt with what you're trying to say here like many others. I understand people get that, but be reasonable. He's said his part, and let me say it again: Don't fix what isn't broken. The "Limited Job" Concept is more content that should be engaging for people, but to be honest if all you're going to whine about is "My Main Job Is Side-Content" then how about you create a system in XIV where the job isn't going to be behind each expansion if you have to collect abilities?

I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I won't discuss further if all you're going to spout is hate.

1, Blue Mage is not my main Job. 2, I said I understand him but I disagree. 3, He Said Limited Jobs.

1A, Blue Mage is Not my Main Job nor do I really care what they do to it until It Effects Me then Yes I have an Issue what the after effects are going to do.
2A, Already answered.
3, Limited Jobs (Blue Mage, BeastMaster and PuppetMaster) Now to him saying it will not work with this game (He May As Well Say He Has A Broken Game) because I'm really open to give him the benfit of the doubt on Blue Mage. But as far as Beastmaster and Puppetmaster even though they all share the same types collecting they are not the same at all that's like saying summoner doesn't work in this game then why did you put a Pet Job in this Game (how it should work is Summon 1 Pet at a Time which it already does and yeah the book can kind of be like Blue but that's where it ends). What is he going to say we Don't know what pet your sending out or what part your useing on your Puppet. The way I see it is yes both Jobs would be great side content but over all you may as well add Sch\Summoner to that Side Content and go after all this time this doesn't work in this game.

[HyperiusUltima]

Don't compare apples to oranges with SMN and BLU. SMN is there due to ARR implementation, and always has been since they added the Arcanist Branch(which they didn't expand on because it was a bad idea with that year's implementation of Stat Point Application). The pre-conception of "He May As Well Say He Has a Broken Game" doesn't hold ground because they've already got it built. It's content that's going to make it in here, and it's not going to break the game at all.

Even though stuff like WHM's Lilies on pre-conception were true because they DID say it was a bad system to go by for the job, that was the community's outcry due to something not even working with how the job is played at high level.

We don't even have BLU out yet, and we're still hating the term "Limited Job" because of the prefix for no reason except we want to be able to raid with it. It's like saying the term "Eureka" is a bad idea before it's even released due to how the system works(which honestly was pretty bad in Pagos...) But to put it bluntly...why are we so focused on the "what ifs" of other jobs that might get put under the list when there's no basis to go on for how this first job will play or even the Masked Carnival? It reminds me of kids always saying "We want it now!", and then after getting it they then say "I don't want it." because it's not the product they wished for initially. In all honesty, I believe it's better to critique something when you've had the time to play it and even go into depth with it before saying that it's a failure.

[Starcake28]

It is backed up by prior decisions. They removed ability rewards from job quests because people would not do them and queue up while missing skills. Now magnify that for an entire job. Sure, the committed people will collect them, but most people who want to try a new job aren't what I exactly call committed. A lot of people just lvl a job to either give it a shot or just to lvl it. Not much passion there. The usual way to remedy this is to make the spells automatically learned and that takes away from the learning aspect of BLU.

HH**** No leave farming along Tht's wat make blue mage fun u working hard to get super powerful unlike other jobs

[Starcake28]

To be honest, I feel like you're just butthurt with what you're trying to say here like many others. I understand people get that, but be reasonable. He's said his part, and let me say it again: Don't fix what isn't broken. The "Limited Job" Concept is more content that should be engaging for people, but to be honest if all you're going to whine about is "My Main Job Is Side-Content" then how about you create a system in XIV where the job isn't going to be behind each expansion if you have to collect abilities?

I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I won't discuss further if all you're going to spout is hate.

you sound like a blue mage hater the main ppl i really disliked in FF11

[Starcake28]

Huntrss he don't want anything in this game tht make elite players any better thn thy already are so ya you will do whatever you can to stop thm 1. We already bet alot of raids super easy 2. The game Content is super easy if you fail something is wrong with you 3. Combo system rotation need to go thy need to make this better now tht ps3 Can't play anymore also where is the hair thy showed we can change like make thm longer or shorter

[Starcake28]

Don't compare apples to oranges with SMN and BLU. SMN is there due to ARR implementation, and always has been since they added the Arcanist Branch(which they didn't expand on because it was a bad idea with that year's implementation of Stat Point Application). The pre-conception of "He May As Well Say He Has a Broken Game" doesn't hold ground because they've already got it built. It's content that's going to make it in here, and it's not going to break the game at all.

Even though stuff like WHM's Lilies on pre-conception were true because they DID say it was a bad system to go by for the job, that was the community's outcry due to something not even working with how the job is played at high level.

We don't even have BLU out yet, and we're still hating the term "Limited Job" because of the prefix for no reason except we want to be able to raid with it. It's like saying the term "Eureka" is a bad idea before it's even released due to how the system works(which honestly was pretty bad in Pagos...) But to put it bluntly...why are we so focused on the "what ifs" of other jobs that might get put under the list when there's no basis to go on for how this first job will play or even the Masked Carnival? It reminds me of kids always saying "We want it now!", and then after getting it they then say "I don't want it." because it's not the product they wished for initially. In all honesty, I believe it's better to critique something when you've had the time to play it and even go into depth with it before saying that it's a failure.

Lol masked Carnival is taking the place of duty finder for blue mage so its nothing new really... but you can keep on thinking it is if you was smarter you would know why we posting hate but your the type of person tht saids whatever idc abt it it look like something Tht's going to waste alot of my time whocares we wanted blue mage because we played it in FF11 up to lvl 90 till thy took all consoles down now its only on Pc but i hate playing on Pc so Tht's why i'm not playing it right now over FF14 so there you can take tht anyway you like it but this is bs they know they can balance blue mage into FF14 i seen it whn thy showed tht