2019 Patch 4.5 Release Schedule FEEDBACK

[Daniolaut]

Why did you quote yourself

Cause I was, am still on mobile and didn’t feel like switching to desktop mode just to edit.

Wasn't the original reasoning behind the first Savage raid being held back being that the devs wanted to give players some time to get through the entirety of the 4.0 MSQ without feeling like they needed to rush, whereas from 4.2 onwards, only had 8-9 story quests for players already at level 70?

Yes, but when the second two released you had to rush through the story raid and then move onto savage.

Why this is bad is not everyone does story mode with a static and some of us have absolutely garbage RNG. On top of this .... which is the supposed whole idea for SE doing this in the first place is I felt forced to rush the story raid to not fall “behind.” Which in my opinion you can *only* fall behind in raid. I don’t feel its possible to fall behind on BLU or Dungeons, or anything else really. So why stagger blue Mage? How would you fall behind? There isn’t a weekly lock out for BLU. Or is there????

[Nora_of_Mira]

Why this is bad is not everyone does story mode with a static and some of us have absolutely garbage RNG. On top of this .... which is the supposed whole idea for SE doing this in the first place is I felt forced to rush the story raid to not fall “behind.” Which in my opinion you can *only* fall behind in raid.

What? I didnt know ANYONE who did the story mode with a static. Everyone i know cleared the story quests and jumped straight into savage and never did the normal versions again. I'm not really sure where anyone is falling behind here.

as far as BLU is concerned, Im pretty sure Yoshi said its being staggered so everyone can do the MSQ's w/o being rushed. He hinted pretty heavily there's going to be a lot to do. It has nothing to do with BLU's content, as far I'm aware.

[Daniolaut]

What? I didnt know ANYONE who did the story mode with a static. Everyone i know cleared the story quests and jumped straight into savage and never did the normal versions again. I'm not really sure where anyone is falling behind here.

as far as BLU is concerned, Im pretty sure Yoshi said its being staggered so everyone can do the MSQ's w/o being rushed. He hinted pretty heavily there's going to be a lot to do. It has nothing to do with BLU's content, as far I'm aware.

Umm. Did you not understand what I said at all? Because you essentially just agreed with me 100% except you then said people don’t want to feel rushed to do the story. Which... BLU isn’t tied to the story. So how will we be rushed.

And back to the other topic. You literally just said everyone rushed to do story mode to jump into savage. Which is exactly my point. I felt rushed to do story mode to not fall behind on savage. So if *any* content should be staggered, it should be story mode and savage mode of raids. Not BLU “to do story” that it’s not even tied to....

And BLU Is the one getting delayed while savage isn’t....... makes *zero* sense to me.

[Nora_of_Mira]

you then said people don’t want to feel rushed to do the story. Which... BLU isn’t tied to the story. So how will we be rushed.

Idk about you or other human beings, but i can typically only do 1 thing at a time. Sure, you dont NEED to do the story before doing BLU content, but thats not the point. They want you to focus on the story w/o being tempted to do the BLU content instead. Less distraction = more focus.*

*idk if I even agree with this, but that is the message they are sending to us.

You literally just said everyone rushed to do story mode to jump into savage. Which is exactly my point. I felt rushed to do story mode to not fall behind on savage.

I think the issues separate from each other because we're talking about Raid story and Main story. EVERYONE goes through the MSQ but I doubt the same level of attention is required to enjoy any of the raid stories, so delaying Savage raiders a full week to focus on some side story does not really make sense to me.

and personally, i still dont understand the "falling behind on savage". I never felt rushed in the normal raids, I cleared them all in PUGs on day one of the patch in maybe 1-3 hours, iirc. is that lucky RNG? because thats a big oof if so.

[Nalien]

They want you to focus on the story w/o being tempted to do the BLU content instead. Less distraction = more focus.*

Why though? Why does it matter what order we do stuff in or when we even do it? Why does SE need us to focus on the MSQ?

Honestly, the whole concept is bizarre to me, especially after 4.0 and good old Raubahn Extreme... Funnelling players down a single bottleneck doesn't usually end all that well, you'd think it'd be something they aim to avoid, rather than encourage...

[Nora_of_Mira]

Why though? Why does it matter what order we do stuff in or when we even do it? Why does SE need us to focus on the MSQ?

Honestly, the whole concept is bizarre to me, especially after 4.0 and good old Raubahn Extreme... Funnelling players down a single bottleneck doesn't usually end all that well, you'd think it'd be something they aim to avoid, rather than encourage...

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some people say its to keep your sub running longer, others say players will get overwhelmed, other people say lalafells are considered people.

i have no idea but my best guesses.

[Vahlnir]

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some people say its to keep your sub running longer, others say players will get overwhelmed, other people say lalafells are considered people.

i have no idea but my best guesses.

SE's view on this is to keep people from being overwhelmed usually. Imo it doesn't really matter. People should be able to do what they want in the first week content wise. That said a week's wait for BLU isn't a big deal at all. The wait time between Eureka installments is actually kinda horrible though. The relic has basically been irrelevant in SB.

[Nora_of_Mira]

The relic has basically been irrelevant in SB.

was that not expected, though? was the HW relic relevant, or was it was always outclassed by tomestone/crafted/extreme primal weapons? They're all irrelevant to me, Im just getting them for their unique models.

[Vahlnir]

was that not expected, though? was the HW relic relevant, or was it was always outclassed by tomestone/crafted/extreme primal weapons? They're all irrelevant to me, Im just getting them for their unique models.

HW relics got a late start but they caught up eventually. Much sooner than SB relics have...and they aren't even there yet. lol

[Noodle_Trinidad]

was that not expected, though? was the HW relic relevant, or was it was always outclassed by tomestone/crafted/extreme primal weapons? They're all irrelevant to me, Im just getting them for their unique models.

Unlike Stormblood the Anima Relic grind was more bearable due to its connection to content that you were currently running making it that much more passive in nature. You could brute force it and get it in the first week as many did for each step but it wasn't something that was completely walled off into itself like Eureka is. It didn't interrupt anyone's playstyle and helped increase the shelf life of past content making things feel like there was a tad more to do even if it was marginal at best. On top of that you also had the fact that during Heavensward era the Relic itself was a viable alternative to the Tomestone and Raid weapon even on iLvl alone, though it did have a later start. The current Relic has always been outdated serving as nothing more than a glamstick given how late the releases of each step was, a point where a good majority of the playerbase who didn't stop after Week 1/2 of a patch to already be heavily outgeared. I'll respect your choice to grind for an underwhelming glam stick but the Relic in this expansion has been atrocious with a grind:reward ratio that is so out of wack that it has become the perfect representation of what this expansion is: Dragged Out and Underwhelming

As for the thinning of content I will have to agree that this expansion has been egregious with it and hopefully it'll come to a stop come ShadowBringers. I never understood the "It's to not overwhelm the player on Patch day" when you consider that most of the patches from Heavensward and Stormblood are so tiny in comparison to most if not all of the 2.X patches, which released a good chunk on the first day. We are slowly getting trained to accept this as a fact in which I assume is a way of giving an illusion that we're still getting a lot of content which we're not. As for the content count we're essentially reliving Heavensward 2.0 with a "Asian" reskin only this time the content is dragged out, Eureka outdid Diadem in bad and the dungeons we lost became Ultimate. (Though Ultimate is pretty good). We haven't added upon anything and content is dying at a faster pace cause of the Relic's situation. Still let me be a bit fair in that regard, were it not for Heavensward coming out first and setting in stone the current formula Stormblood would have probably been way more acceptable to the playerbase but like it is now anything following it that didn't show any inkling of change for the better and instead for the worst, which Stormblood did do compared once again to HW, then that new expansion would have been lambasted for being bad. All I can hope for ShadowBringers is for Heavensward/Stormblood polish on content with ARR's quantity.