New Character in the Ivalice Alliance Raid?

[Anatha]

It\\'s actually a whole lot easier than you think to alter existing footwear to fit a digitigrade foot shape. Might take them time but it\\'s not that bad. More work than past races sure, but not even remotely close to too hard.

Remember yoshi p said this was the hardest to implement satisfactorily and thats why its the last.

If they were gonna phone it in, they certainly wouldn\\'t preface it with that comment.

[Iscah]

thorough background checks on the people joining (I may be wrong, but I seem to recall him asking us to just ask any random adventurer if they'd be willing to join the Crystal Braves)

Quest script: here

It's a bit ambiguous exactly how Alphinaud expects us to go about recruiting people, but what we do is approach people we know.

To be honest...not by most games terminology. The terms of "race", "species" and "clan" have been butchered some time in the past then just about every future title copied that butchery. Apparently IT specialists don't follow biology classes too closely.

As for the monkeys...I meant real life monkeys. Humanoids are humanoids. If you put suitably covering clothes on them they will resemble one another. You may be hard-pressed to mistake a gorilla for a human...but smaller monkeys?! A coat, a cap, pants and shoes and teach them to walk straighter than they normally do and from far away you'll mistake them for humans. The differences are bigger than the stuff in the game, yes. But ultimately they are still "a flavor of humans".

At what point does using "race" to mean "species of sentinent beings in a fantasy setting" stop being butchery and become an acceptable term? Because that's how it gets used. It's not a formal classification.

And again, it's possible that the 'humans' of FFXIV are wildly different 'races' of what might still be genetically a single species.


Also I greatly doubt you could actually get a monkey to be mistakeable for human unless the viewer has very bad eyesight, or from such a distance that it hardly proves anything.

I went looking on Wikipedia to see if there were any good comparison pictures, and found one even more interesting than expected: a size comparison of different apes, including humans, with the others in an artificial "human pose" for comparison.

I don't think you could actually mistake any of those for a human. (Maybe the gorilla, depending on how it looks beyond that silhouette form.) Humanoid, yes, but not human.

Meanwhile the different races of "humans" in FFXIV are all of much more human proportions - some bulkier, some stretched, but the proportions of limbs are human-like.

In any case, monkeys (being the top-level classification above apes and then humans) are not "a flavour of human", but humans would be "a flavour of monkey".

[kikix12]

At what point does using "race" to mean "species of sentinent beings in a fantasy setting" stop being butchery and become an acceptable term?

It is merely a nitpick of mine. Unlike most other words use, I won't really challenge since it IS heavily used for decades now (and yes, I use it too). Probably, yes, to deal with the "but they can interbreed!" issue.

Also I greatly doubt you could actually get a monkey to be mistakeable for human unless the viewer has very bad eyesight, or from such a distance that it hardly proves anything.

Like this one?! If you'd look from the back, you'd think it's a child even from several meters. Do note that the distance we see other characters at in this game is normally several DOZENS of meters, taking into consideration the size of the characters on the screen AND the distance of the camera to the character. Even when you are looking straight at a character with first person perspective, it's an equivalent of about 4 or 5 meters at least for anyone but those with the largest monitors.

If you saw an Au'ra in real life, or a Miqo'te, or a Roegadyn, you'd be able to discern them from humans at dozens of meters. Elezen...alright, that less so. Looking at them from the back would shorter the Miqo'te as well if their tail was hidden, but not that much.

My point was always this. The various races are distinguishable enough to be considered more than "humans with a bonus".

In any case, monkeys (being the top-level classification above apes and then humans) are not "a flavour of human", but humans would be "a flavour of monkey".

You are missing the point here. "Flavour of humans" is a term used by another poster that I disagree with. It also depends on the very same thing that "humanoid" does. It is human-centric thinking.

Monkeys are humanoids. Humans aren't apeoids or monkeyoids. Even though monkeys are higher in the classification, we, as humans, compare other to US, humans. Not ourselves and everything else to something higher in the hierarchy.

[Nestama]

Whether you agree or disagree with me saying 'different flavours of human' is irrelevant. I personally think all of the playable races in this fantasy game are just different flavours of human because if you remove the cat ears, horns, scales and tails, you'd just have a human. Can't exactly do the same with Lupin or any of the Beastmen.

At the end of the day, my point is that children shouldn't ever be playable. Lalafells are bad enough, but the small Viera concept art is worse since their proportions aren't as weird as a Lalafell.

[MsQi]

Race esentually means a group of related people. It can mean anything from the entirety of humanity to your immediate family.

[reivaxe]

It\\'s actually a whole lot easier than you think to alter existing footwear to fit a digitigrade foot shape. Might take them time but it\\'s not that bad. More work than past races sure, but not even remotely close to too hard.

Remember yoshi p said this was the hardest to implement satisfactorily and thats why its the last.

If they were gonna phone it in, they certainly wouldn\\'t preface it with that comment.

Pretty much. I don't get this desire to put people in doubt by going "it might be/is probably just a race gear and Fran gear thing and they'll have reg feet otherwise". That shot of frans feet and legs is to treat us to a hint of what's to come.

Also to people trying to say its not like animal feet you need to understand that digagrade legs just means that the animal has to walk on its toes ... Which is why these heels are the highest, steepest shoes seen so far. Her feet are legit pointed fully to the ground, seems clear that without a heel like that she could easily wake on her tippy toes. The differences are from a difference in art.