Blue Mage: Are you kidding me!?

[jon041065]

Every job does its job, none of them get a choice.
Gatherers gather, tanks tank, healers heal, DPS DPS, and blue mage does all of it to some extent.

I'm pretty sure he meant that it's your choice to limit those jobs to that content. SE didn't make MCH as a job for purely pvp and RDM as the only job for Eureka.

There is a middle ground that they should have gone for OR at least said they would be working towards. Blu could have been a job that fit within the trinity or been the job to finally push the limits if not break it outright. It also could have had DF options or some sort of toggle to switch to a limited state and be this OP solo job. The spell learning method they chose could have been used in both states or just been for the limited blu to fill out that content more. Then they could have just done job quests or hunting log books for the DoM/W blu to learn spells. Or kept it the same for both with like a 20% learning chance. Bit of grinding but wouldn't be unreasonable to expect certain spells to have been learned. I'm all for advance jobs with some barrier of entry.

Then there could be a blu that is balanced and an option for those that want the solo content. As for the "well it could push out of the other casters out of the meta" argument, I think that SE should be doing more to get rid of the meta. That the jobs should be choices between compelling reasons to bring X job but at the cost of not having Y. That not having Y job doesn't make clearing content more of a challenge but that you don't do it exactly the same way as a group that does have Y. The "but the meta" arguments sound like ones that are in favor of no more future jobs and that would result in an even larger backlash than limited blu.

I really wish this "either or" mentality where only one side of this debate can get what they want would stop. Not everyone fits into "I want solo content" and "I want to be able to main blu in the full game" camps but most of us that are participating in this debate do fit. Some of us are in both but feel the cost is too high for what they are doing. There definitely is a way to get this type of solo and open world content WITHOUT limited jobs. We should be united in telling SE that this is a good direction to be headed in with future content BUT this is not the correct path. That they should try another path instead of potentially having this path be blocked by the backlash and we don't get solo content such as the Carnival.

[Starcake28]

This the way i see it every class can do everything but out of all jobs RDM is top to me also SMN so whn thy keep trying to say blue mage is op i see tht as a lie from FF11 Blue mage started off slow SMN started off op also other jobs blue mage got better after u hit lvl 55+ but was still not tht op so all around it was balance so i'm going to keep saying it blue mage is not the cjob tht will break the game also as for level 5 death didn't black mage have death just put two and two together u will understand what i'm getting at oooh ya for the blue mage lvl 50 mission only Tht's just a new routtle for blue mage because blue mage Can't do duty finder so thy added tht for thm lol put two and two together

[Darkpaw]

Prefacing this by saying, yes they should continue to work towards a middle ground. I want to take the time to address a few things.
1./ While some of us have experiences where players do not have all their skills or refuse to take certain cross class skills, or didn't equip a job stone and we made it through just fine, more often then not these players get kicked from groups or are belittled or scolded from my personal experience by other players. Heck I'm sure I'm not the only one that has seen a DF group boot a player for a simple mistake or lag spike at the wrong time.
2./ The suggestion that they can easily balance something and drop it into a raid tier is a... reckless suggestion at best since none of us likely fully understand how complicated that task actually is since most likely none of us have actually had to do it, and they had enough issues with it when they dropped NIN in. So.. there is that..
3./ Using FF11 as any basis for BLU not being OP in FF14 is at best woefully uninformed, at worst willfully blind to the vast differences between the two games. Just because 11 did something in their system does not mean it will work in 14's system. Just fact.

Finally, There is a consensus forming on both sides from what I can see that the problem itself isn't Blue Mage. It's the limited job system. So perhaps under the right forum space. A thread needs to be started that's sole focus is on this limited job system. I have to agree with Jon that what they are trying to do is a good thing, however this is likely not the best way to go about it. This limited system (still a horribly named system SE [Side note Community Team could you pass this fact along? Please?]) is a unique concept and an innovative idea on how to tackle requests like "More solo based content, varying kinds of jobs that don't all progress the same way, reinvigorating open world" etc etc, it's also always going to be a divisive area. I do applaud the team for trying something new and even opening the door back up to various jobs they said they would never do (I.E. Puppet master/ BST) but perhaps give some details about what you are planning with the system or just try a different approach.

[Starcake28]

You still dont get it i'm not saying switch FF14 battle style to FF11 I'm saying thy could hve kept blue mage with the sword play style gave it weapon skills etc also make the spells melee damage which i'm sure most of thm maybe melee damage but still you can believe wat you like.... Anyways its almost time for everyone to see wat blue mage is in game.. again all tht mask carnival is. is a replacement for duty roulette lol you all will see soon. So all i can see blue mage doing is spell hunting and lvling nothing more till thy add story reset

[Starcake28]

Now you all can see what i was talking its not about the damage blue mage those its abt learning spells and they not using the combo rotation just like i said but you see all of the ppl tht didn't really play blue mage trying to say things about blue mage.. Its upsetting when you know what your talking about but you have other ppl trying to break or dismiss your favorite job or class etc all together i won this thread hands down now just need to wait till January 8 to win again after farming all the spells lol also they have all spells set to be learned at lvl 1 O.O level 1 really now ok i guess ppl can join a group and go learn all strong spells at level 1 and use thm right off the back but i said strong but there not tht strong like SAM lol come on people wake up

[Starcake28]

Lol darkpaw i was already aiming at tht but you guys was dismissing everything i was saying so ...

[jon041065]

Lol darkpaw i was already aiming at tht but you guys was dismissing everything i was saying so ...

Starcake, I believe you were also fighting for a full version of blu so we would be on the same "side" but we should leave all that stuff in the past. Others are getting to a place where they are more willing to work with our side towards a middle ground and we can't let what happened in the past month get in the way of that. Just say "cool I'm happy that we can come together and give feedback we think will make the game better".

[Starcake28]

Starcake, I believe you were also fighting for a full version of blu so we would be on the same "side" but we should leave all that stuff in the past. Others are getting to a place where they are more willing to work with our side towards a middle ground and we can't let what happened in the past month get in the way of that. Just say "cool I'm happy that we can come together and give feedback we think will make the game better".

Yes i am and i will keep fighting for it even if i'm the late person!!! Because i'm the true number 1 blue mage but for now i'll try this cool thing... But not the change my class to a tank whn it never was a tank in any game

[Darkpaw]

I could care less who "won" this thread. The fact is with the information provided it appears neither side is winning this fight. I was willing to give the dev team the benefit of the doubt for a long time figuring there had to be some actual reason to impose this "limited" system, but it's becoming more and more apparent that there is no really good valid reason for this limited system in the first place. Now granted I can't say that for 100% sure but it's becoming a lot more difficult to see the wisdom in this system, perhaps they aren't communicating their direction or vision properly or perhaps it's just what it seems, a half thought out system that much like MCH in Stormblood has not been thought out and now they're trying to recover it quickly.

[jon041065]

Yes i am and i will keep fighting for it even if i'm the late person!!! Because i'm the true number 1 blue mage but for now i'll try this cool thing... But not the change my class to a tank whn it never was a tank in any game

I'm going to agree with Darkpaw here Starcake. Many of us were saying that it didn't have to be an "us vs them" thing where one sides wins and one loses. We will not get a full blu without working with the "wait and see" people and the people that want solo content to try get to a place that most of us find acceptable. Chances are none of us will see what we want unless we get one concise message to SE in our feedback. It probably won't be ideally what any one group wants but I feel it's the right thing for us to try to do for the game.