Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Avatre]

Well...that was a first...I just got out of an Alpha 1.0 where we wiped once due to healers not spreading their AoE apart during the water phase, and the DRK that was the MT(I was OT on PLD) left right away. So I switched to Shield Oath, and pull. Everything is going decently, no issues with holding aggro, and we eventually get another PLD....who spawns right as the knockback during the wind phase happens....flying off the platform(which was the first thing they actually saw). First thing they said was that it was an interesting thing to have happen...then instantly says shield oath(this was a good 40% into the fight...and I am having no issues holding aggro from the BRD, DRG, MNK, RDM, WHM, and AST). Right after they get their raise, they provoke, and are in Shield Oath...the entire time. Not that that's terrible...but since I wasn't having issues holding the boss...not sure why they kept trying to get me into Shield when I was using CDs as needed, and keeping aggro.

Eventually, practically everyone is dead(we got to a second wind - where everyone died, water, and fire phase...first time I've seen 3 of them get doubled up like that), and it's just the RDM and myself. Clemency myself, CDs, and let the RDM bring back the WHM, who eventually got everyone back up...and of course the other PLD said "shield oath dude"...didn't need it since half the party was ready to accept their raises...so I stayed in sword, clemency on myself as needed, and lose aggro to other tank when he gets up and provokes off of me.

The only times aggro was lost, was when that tank provoked off of me.

[Mesarthim]

Well...that was a first...I just got out of an Alpha 1.0 where we wiped once due to healers not spreading their AoE apart during the water phase, and the DRK that was the MT(I was OT on PLD) left right away. So I switched to Shield Oath, and pull. Everything is going decently, no issues with holding aggro, and we eventually get another PLD....who spawns right as the knockback during the wind phase happens....flying off the platform(which was the first thing they actually saw). First thing they said was that it was an interesting thing to have happen...then instantly says shield oath(this was a good 40% into the fight...and I am having no issues holding aggro from the BRD, DRG, MNK, RDM, WHM, and AST). Right after they get their raise, they provoke, and are in Shield Oath...the entire time. Not that that's terrible...but since I wasn't having issues holding the boss...not sure why they kept trying to get me into Shield when I was using CDs as needed, and keeping aggro.

Eventually, practically everyone is dead(we got to a second wind - where everyone died, water, and fire phase...first time I've seen 3 of them get doubled up like that), and it's just the RDM and myself. Clemency myself, CDs, and let the RDM bring back the WHM, who eventually got everyone back up...and of course the other PLD said "shield oath dude"...didn't need it since half the party was ready to accept their raises...so I stayed in sword, clemency on myself as needed, and lose aggro to other tank when he gets up and provokes off of me.

The only times aggro was lost, was when that tank provoked off of me.

Reminds me back in Heavensward when I was on DRK in Saint Mocianne. Final boss doesn't hit hard at all. My aggro lead was significant, and yet I think the healer just casually said "grit."

I responded "not needed." I know some people expect tanks to be in tank stance 24/7 but there's a time and place for these things. When the damage is so low and your aggro lead is good you'd end up just reducing your damage for no gain.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

PLEASE READ YOUR TOOLTIPS AND/OR A BASIC GUIDE IF YOU JUMP A JOB BEFORE YOU RUN CONTENT ON IT.

THIS. I kept getting Jump Healers in Dun Scaith who apparently didn't know what role actions are, because they didn't have Esuna. One memorable time it was both of the healers in my Alliance. And we had no bards. Thankfully I haven't seen it lately, but during those dark times it was very common to wipe to Deathgaze repeatedly. -And then there are Ice Mages. *shudders* I cannot even imagine what Jump tank is like, and your story makes me not want to ever find out in person (though it reminds me when we used to run Leveling with 3 DPS and a healer--cause that's what basically what you did).

[Transient_Shadow]

So I've been light grinding for my blm anima and I get a sch in a dungeon. They say their relearning the job and I say they'll do fine. Later I noticed they rarely used bane and kept spamming Miasma II like it was holy. I told them it was a dot and it's more efficient to let the dot run out before recasting. They immediately counter with "but it does instant damage".

At this point I pretended to agree and left it at that. Spamming Miasma II literally strips it of half its potency. its a huge dps loss to spam. I hate it when people say they're open to advice but refuse it when its given.

[TalithaSolarien]

What made this more excruciating was that not only did he have Tactican and Refresh at that level and never used them once (both the war tank and me on whm could have used them) but they never bothered to use Foe Requiem and Quick Nock. Both of the crit songs you get only have a 30 sec uptime and 80 sec cooldown, meaning he could have easily used them throughout the dungeon instead of me having to remind them.

My brain is still melted from that bard.

That BRD reminds me from my time as new FF14 and BRD players nearly a year ago. At that level the toolkit feels rather incomplete and the tooltips aren't too helpful either. Took me quite some time to understand the concept of the songs and why they are so important. Finding information for leveling (most) classes on the 'net isn't easy either (there aren't too many guides covering that aspect).

Not using Quick Nock and Tactician is a bad oversight on the other hand ... as is queuing in as a ARC in Stone Vigil (that was a fun run, we had both said ARC and a BRD on the team).

[Aosha]

That BRD reminds me from my time as new FF14 and BRD players nearly a year ago. At that level the toolkit feels rather incomplete and the tooltips aren't too helpful either. Took me quite some time to understand the concept of the songs and why they are so important. Finding information for leveling (most) classes on the 'net isn't easy either (there aren't too many guides covering that aspect).

You know, one of these days I was planning to write a "leveling guide", like a rundown of what stuff you get when, and what their uses are. I'm not too great on any job, but I know all of them "well enough" to do something like that. The problem would be finding a place to put it, so that people could find it. :/

[tinythinker]

You know, one of these days I was planning to write a "leveling guide", like a rundown of what stuff you get when, and what their uses are. I\\'m not too great on any job, but I know all of them "well enough" to do something like that. The problem would be finding a place to put it, so that people could find it. :/

REDDIT comes to mind as an option.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Well...that was a first...I just got out of an Alpha 1.0 where we wiped once due to healers not spreading their AoE apart during the water phase, and the DRK that was the MT(I was OT on PLD) left right away. So I switched to Shield Oath, and pull. Everything is going decently, no issues with holding aggro, and we eventually get another PLD....who spawns right as the knockback during the wind phase happens....flying off the platform(which was the first thing they actually saw). First thing they said was that it was an interesting thing to have happen...then instantly says shield oath(this was a good 40% into the fight...and I am having no issues holding aggro from the BRD, DRG, MNK, RDM, WHM, and AST). Right after they get their raise, they provoke, and are in Shield Oath...the entire time. Not that that's terrible...but since I wasn't having issues holding the boss...not sure why they kept trying to get me into Shield when I was using CDs as needed, and keeping aggro.

Eventually, practically everyone is dead(we got to a second wind - where everyone died, water, and fire phase...first time I've seen 3 of them get doubled up like that), and it's just the RDM and myself. Clemency myself, CDs, and let the RDM bring back the WHM, who eventually got everyone back up...and of course the other PLD said "shield oath dude"...didn't need it since half the party was ready to accept their raises...so I stayed in sword, clemency on myself as needed, and lose aggro to other tank when he gets up and provokes off of me.

The only times aggro was lost, was when that tank provoked off of me.

This reminds of a story an acquaintance shared. Their friend was tanking on WAR in Guardian Normal and did the standard WAR opener. Aggro was perfectly stable but he suddenly dipped to critical HP before falling over. When he was raised by the RDM, the same thing happened. When the party eventually wiped, he experimented by sitting in Defiance for a bit... and suddenly no problem. When he went back into Deliverance, no heals. At this point one of the healers finally chimed in "We don't heal tanks that don't want to tank."

Some people get really uppity about tank stance... which is comical since it's more or less never touched outside initial aggro building.

[Cincierta]

Well, round two of trying to level my alt whm through Stone Vigil.

My friend decided to come along and play tank again (he was on war last time when we had a horrendous bard the other night, and he was still pretty weary). He went as PLD, and me as WHM. We ended up getting another BRD and this time an undergeared BLM. No new person notice, so I thought okay, maybe this will be a good run. I was so wrong.

I buff the group and the first trash set pretty much told me how the rest of the dungeon would go: the BLM's damage was pretty low AND using single-target spells, and the BRD seemed to get quite the boner from Quick Nock spam. Like legit only used Straight Shot once and then immediately went to Nock until they were out of TP, and the mobs were STILL ALIVE.

Spoiler alert: he always Nocked until he was out of TP and would sit there until it regenerated a bit.

After reminding the bard to not be afraid to use songs, we didn't see a crit song until the last 5 mobs before the first boss. I didn't see more than one DoT on any of the mobs on the way up from the BRD, and the BLM was using Thunder DoTs more often than not. We finally get to the first boss and my friend finally had enough of the bull that was coming from both of our dps, and swapped to Sword Oath for a majority of the first boss fight, dealing more damage than our dps. The blm and brd both not only eat Lion's Breath, but a few Swinges which kill them since apparently they did not remember to stand BEHIND the boss whenever he casts ANYTHING. My MP almost bottoms out from curing, esuna'ing, and raising two dead weights plus someone who's actually trying to make the dungeon run go faster, and once I hit Lucid, the brd immediately goes back to spamming Nock. On a single target. Boss. After an uncomfortably long first boss, we finally down it and I remind the bard that they can also use Tactican and Refresh, to which they also benefit from it.

Hallways up to the second boss was even more Nock spam, with maybe one more crit song and some more SS. Second boss doesn't seem much different other than the bard finally uses two DoTs at the same time, then back to SS spam. My friend swaps back to Sword for a majority of the fight again, and I go get cannons. Despite the fact that tornadoes are going the same way as the brd and blm, only the blm seems to move too late, while the brd just eats them. I'm still riding Lucid's cooldown again once we down the second boss, and next trash pull to the final boss is EVEN MORE NOCK SPAM. I realize there is no hope for the brd at this point, and just wanted to get through this stupid dungeon on my alt and never have to see it leveling a healer again.

We get to the final boss, and once my friend aggroes it, I realize we weren't doing enough damage to make it go through its first phase fast enough (we saw the single-target floor ice breath 3 times) and the drop-multi puddles phase twice. During the second phase when the boss uses his floor ice breath, the brd ends up standing in two of them, and while I esuna'ed the dot from him, he eats another ice breath and dies. I get him back up and he goes back to being utter dead weight with MORE NOCK SPAM.

However during the fight, I witness a miracle from the heavens. The blm Mana-Shifted me when I had 1/4th of my mp left after having to raise the brd's stupid hide.

Even with my friend going Sword for 50% of the fight, the final boss still took uncomfortably long to kill.

I'm going into a corner to cry.

[Jijifli]

So I've been light grinding for my blm anima and I get a sch in a dungeon. They say their relearning the job and I say they'll do fine. Later I noticed they rarely used bane and kept spamming Miasma II like it was holy. I told them it was a dot and it's more efficient to let the dot run out before recasting. They immediately counter with "but it does instant damage".

At this point I pretended to agree and left it at that. Spamming Miasma II literally strips it of half its potency. its a huge dps loss to spam. I hate it when people say they're open to advice but refuse it when its given.

Actually, Miasma II spam is a dps increase in aoe. It takes 12 seconds to tick the other 100 potency, and outside of bane, they have no other aoe option.

They should have baned dots though. That I agree with.

Edit: Just to help show math here. At 3 targets, spamming it is a 300 potency aoe. Broil 2 is only 230 I think? Meaning spamming Miasma II is doing more overall damage than Broil 2 is. It's not as much potency as holy, but it's our only spammable aoe option. Unless we wanna just stand there, that works too...