Are Blizzard II, and Freeze useful at all?

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

The spells are useless. Especially since SB gave BLM aoe thunder. there's literally zero reason to even have these on the hotbar. The potency is piss poor and unlike Astral Fire, Umbral Ice does not increase potency of ice spells.

Stop misleading the OP with bad information.

The OP asked if these spells were useful. They aren't for SB instanced content, sure but can still be useful for World Map, PvP, Eureka and the occasional ARR dungeon if you end up getting one in leveling. Maybe its more that they HAVE a use more than being actually useful but we're just trying to make sure the OP can make an informed decision. But yes. From an optimized BLM standpoint, you'll never use these ever.

Also BLM already had AOE thunder. That's T2. Its just that no one ever used that either. T4 is what we always wanted T2 to be.

Edit: Nope. This is a SB thing. Still better than ice tho, as Tlach says. T-T

[Zerathor]

Also BLM already had AOE thunder. That's T2. Its just that no one ever used that either. T4 is what we always wanted T2 to be.

We only got aoe thunder in stormblood. Prior to that, 1, 2, and 3 were different cast times, dot length, and potency, and you mostly only t3'd on a proc due to its cast time. All single target.

[Tlachtga]

The OP asked if these spells were useful. They aren't for SB instanced content, sure but can still be useful for World Map, PvP, Eureka and the occasional ARR dungeon if you end up getting one in leveling. Maybe its more that they HAVE a use more than being actually useful but we're just trying to make sure the OP can make an informed decision. But yes. From an optimized BLM standpoint, you'll never use these ever.

Also BLM already had AOE thunder. That's T2. Its just that no one ever used that either. T4 is what we always wanted T2 to be.

CC is largely pointless in PVE when you can just kill stuff faster.

Also, BLM never had AOE Thunder in HW.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

My bad. I was just thinking that was might not be right. In HW, I always used T1 to proc but assumed all the level 2 spells were aoe. Cheerfully redacted.