Is it wrong to run Castrum Abania as a tank at ilvl 272

[Dualgunner]

The pissing contests aside - do know that at least one tank in training is has taken note of the gear scores listed here and will be taking them under advisement when I pick up my axe and start working my way back up the ladder in the coming weeks.

As a healer main, I'm more than familiar with how a Tank's gear and performance can tax a healer's mental stress. And I intend to keep things as easy on my healers as possible. This is a group effort, yes?

Yep! We all lift together.

[Fynlar]

There's a place for people like this. It's called Heaven on High.

If someone is too lazy to upgrade their gear then they should do everyone a favour and stick to content where gear has no impact.

I got everything to 70 well before HoH existed.

Leveling dungeons are hard, folks.

I guarantee that OP and the dismissive person who talked down to everyone for over 10 pages until they ran out of post count for today would have been shittalked about to friends, FC chat, Linkshells, and social media. I also would rant about them in the DF thread, about how I ran into the most inconsiderate of party members who were unnecessarily burdening the group. Names redacted of course.

lol

That says a lot more about your own character than anyone else's, just so you know.

Out of all the times I ran the dungeon in i270 stuff, I highly doubt there's a single account in the DF thread or elsewhere complaining about my performance, because... the dungeon is not difficult at i270. If you think you can find one though, be my guest.

[SenorPatty]

Idk what you mean.

Regardless, we need to secure the idea that the forum is a safe place in the future for our fellow FFXIV to express their opinons regardless of their ethnicity (white/black/etc) sexual orientation or STD status. Youth of today are far too passionate about some things and honestly I could go on a rant about how 88/100 players are terrible at the game but you need to give them a chance to learn.

Sure people shouldn't be tanking in this dungeon in that kind of gear, you should have picked up some along the way. But you know what honestly? I tanked that dungeon in Alexander savage gear because I had an emotional connection to that tier and the gear I earned from it. None of that held me back so?...you know what. As long as people aren't dying let them play how they want to.

I hope every like you get protects you from the banhammer. You're too good for this sinful forum.

[Awha]

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I am joining fairly late into this discussion, I think a major point you are missing is it is not about difficultly more so about being considerate towards random strangers. If you want to meme it up is crappy gear do that with friends or people you know, I am autistic with very little experience and understanding on how to handle / deal in social situations, and I also have an extremely black and white stance on pretty much everything even I understand wasting the time of people you do not know is rude. No one is asking for a player to have the best gear or play perfectly but a certain level of decorum is not an unreasonable expectation by those using the DF.

[KageTokage]

The few times I did get a tank in shire gear to heal, it was extremely unpleasant due to said gear having nearly half the defensive stats as SB gear of the same ilvl.

Having 270 gear in itself isn't bad as long as it's SB stuff, since the defense makes a very noticeable difference.

[HyoMinPark]

One, I'm not wrong (all my own experiences point otherwise on this), and two, I really don't care how good or bad it looks, I only care if something is correct or not.

Anecdotes don't make you correct. If that were the case, my anecdotes directly contradict your anecdotes. So which one of us is the correct one?

Ah, but I forget. Clearly, I should just "learn to play better" if my anecdotes prove that tanks are squishy in Castrum Abania at i270.

No, I wasn't losing hate in i270 gear, either. Maybe you would starting in the level 70 dungeon because people can start overgearing it, but in Abania? If you're losing hate at i270, you're just a bad tank; that's got nothing to do with gear.

A tank generating and maintaining enmity has everything to do with their gear. Their weapon is literally the most important piece of gear when it comes to that. You're wrong on this one as well.

Apparently it's only perfectly okay for you to run content already wearing the best stuff said content can drop.

Again, where did anyone say "players need the best gear for Castrum Abania"?
I'll wait for you to actually quote it for me.

That says a lot more about your own character than anyone else's, just so you know.

I suggest you go back and look at the things you've said in this thread, and consider how they look on your character.

Out of all the times I ran the dungeon in i270 stuff, I highly doubt there's a single account in the DF thread or elsewhere complaining about my performance, because... the dungeon is not difficult at i270. If you think you can find one though, be my guest.

How convenient. Considering we aren't allowed to name names on here, so how would we be able to definitively prove the posts are or aren't about you?

Again, no one said the dungeon is difficult. But it does output significantly more damage than the leveling dungeons before it. So much word twisting to try and add credence to your argument. Try reporting what was actually said instead of twisting words. You're being deliberately disingenuous.

The few times I did get a tank in shire gear to heal, it was extremely unpleasant due to said gear having nearly half the defensive stats as SB gear of the same ilvl.

Having 270 gear in itself isn't bad as long as it's SB stuff, since the defense makes a very noticeable difference.

It's already been noted several times in this thread that, numerically, there is a noticeable difference in DEF/M.DEF between i270 Shire and pieces of gear from Doma Castle and HQ level 68 gear. The differences are not just a couple dozen DEF stats, but several hundred on the body and legs alone.

The i270 SB gear (Shisui gear) have the same base DEF/M.DEF as Augmented Shire. The jump occurs starting with the level 64 HQ crafted gear, and becomes more and more significant from there.

[Keddera_StormMoon]

You can't trust anecdotal evidence as....

- It's entirely possible to fail your way to level 70 multiple times
- There's this thing called the Dunning-Kruger effect (or cognitive bias, if you prefer)

But Math? Math never lies.

[Lukha]

AS a healer main, I would strongly prefer you not do this.

But realistically, if you are keeping hate and staying alive reasonably well, I'd never even think to check or care about your gear, so if you can manage that at i270, sure, why not?

[Gemina]

I will admit my ilvl was a bit low and might put a little extra workload on the healer, but its not like i purposely asked roulette for abania.

I'm chiming in late as well, but wanted to point out something specific when I read this. The thing about roulette is it will put you in any instance you've unlocked. I learned this the hard way back in ARR and queued for leveling roulette and got Aurum Vale before I had the chance to update my gear. I thought it only applied to instances you've cleared. So when you queue for roulette, you might not be asking for a specific dungeon, but you do have to accept the terms before entering the queue, which means you should know that it could very well pop you into Abania.

Now I just so happened to have recently ran this dungeon on my healers, and in one instance had a Shire tank. I definitely had to use more gcds on this tank than the other two on hard casted cures, but it wasn't anything I couldn't handle. However, I still cannot stress enough that the tank more than anyone needs to have up to date gear. It is the hardest on them when their party members have better gear than they do.

[Makeda]

If people don't want to get a tank that is still leveling they should stay out of the leveling roulette.

If the Duty Finder let you queue for that dungeon, you belong in it. If people don't like getting barely geared PUG mates, they should stay out of content like this. If you do join leveling content, you accept that part of the burden is possibly helping someone else master it.