Is it wrong to run Castrum Abania as a tank at ilvl 272

[galbsadi]

I have mained tank since the release of ARR.

K.

When i entered Castrum Abania on my lvl 69 drk ilvl 272

So you were in lv60 gear for the lv69 dungeon in an expansion where gear drops like candy and you could have easily been in far better gear without even trying. I could understand your healer and DPS being upset by this.

One of the dps was of similar item level as me

K. So one of the DPS was as lazy as you.

When we got to the final boss we wiped 3 times because 1. The dps were not killing the hand adds, and 2. The healer kept getting hit.

And 3. the tank had approximately 50% of the stats they should have had for the dungeon.

Sure i was getting hit a bit hard but 10 ilvl difference doesn't make it sooo terrible that it warrants harassing and blaming me for their own shortcomings?

Doesn't make them right, no, but those 10 ilvls are a much larger difference in a leveling context than they are in an end-game context...i.e. you're kinda harassing them by not gearing up as well, IMO....again, especially in an expansion where gear drops like candy.

On the 4th try i decided this was going to be my last .

That makes sense. Harassment or no, if you're struggling that much odds are you're not clearing.

On this run i noticed our healer started prioritizing dpsing over healing, they started saying how easy i melted, and they said "it was easier keeping our dps going".

Not saying the healer was correct, but I've healed "tanks" like you seem to have been before, and they're not exactly wrong either. (I'm talking cases where the "tank" literally gets hit harder by the same ability than a DPS does.)

I guess to summarize it all up it just feels like that because they all kept dying and failing to do mechanics they were using my gear level as a scapegoat to blame me instead of just admitting that they were not trying.

Kinda like you refused to properly gear up and are trying to use them as a scapegoat to blame them instead of just admitting that you were not trying.

I am a veteran of this game and i know how to play and whats fair and whats not IN MY OWN OPINION, but i guess i am coming to the forums to look for a little reassurance and get other peoples views on this situation as well.

Sorry, but as another veteran of this game....I completely disagree.

[Melichoir]

From your account, the healer and DPS were in the wrong.

You werent undergeared for the dungeon, per say. Scratch that, you wre semi under geared, or atleast meeting the bare minimum iLvL. You shouldve had higher level gear. HOWEVER, this is also dependant on quite a few things. As a point, how fast you were leveling and how much dungeon running you do makes a difference in where you get your gear from. The Dungeon did let you run it, considering your iLvL, so whether you were 'under geared' from the perspective of the other players or not is irrelevant. The game's content allowed for you to be there, so your gear at that point is a moot aspect. What's more important at that point is what youre doing. If youre using Grit and properly CDing, than its your healer and DPSs fault. They have no recourse to saying "Youre under geared" if the dungeon is allowing you access. But this is the problem with DF broadly.

The trouble wtih DF and the like, particularly this late into the xpac, is people get lazy and forget that not everyone is iLvL 350+. They forget that bosses and mechanics dictate a certain level of play and understanding. So they go about trying to do things like they would with an 'overgeared' tank, and then when they get a tank thats fresh into that content and isnt iLvL capped, things go wrong and tehy get pissed that they have to actually use their heads and actually do the more 'boring' aspects of their jobs. They cant just tunnel vision and face roll.

At the end of the day, each role has hardset requirements. Tanks are supposed to tank the mechanics and hold hate, Healers are supposed to keep the party alive and well, and DPS are suppose to burn the boss and adds down. That is the most basic and fundamental part of the roles. Now there is overlap. Tanks and Healers are expected to DPS as well, DPS are expected to help with mitigation and hate management, Tanks are expected to CD properly to take the load of healers. So obviously it's not cut and dry. But at the end of the day, people have their roles and theyre expected to fill them at the minimum.

If the tank is taking damage and is properly CDing, it doesnt matter what their gear is, Healers and DPS need to assist in keeping the tank alive. Just like that tank needs to be keeping aggro so the DPS and healers are free to do their jobs.

[Deceptus]

[I]If the tank is taking damage and is properly CDing, it doesnt matter what their gear is, Healers and DPS need to assist in keeping the tank alive. Just like that tank needs to be keeping aggro so the DPS and healers are free to do their jobs.

Until the Healer runs out of mana because they're having to spam their highest cure to keep said tank alive because the tank was too lazy to upgrade his gear. That's not a massive request to make (upgrading gear). It's basic gameplay, as you put it.

[SenorPatty]

I'm just gonna echo what Moro said some pages past:

ilvl lock needs to be a thing.

I suspect people like Fynlar will be extremely annoyed that they'll have to spend money to get better gear or actually re-run dgns that drop guaranteed gear until they meet ilvl requirements but at least it'll stop people going into these dgns undergeared because they feel like they don't need the better gear because they're completely oblivious that they're getting carried by their healer.

[Melichoir]

DF has a minimum iLvL. That means that EVERYONE is at that minimum iLvL, that they can complete the dungeon. Im not saying its ideal, nor am I saying it's easy. But the dungeon allows you to complete it at the minimum, then its all about playstyle and mechanics at that point.

If youre running out of Mana with a tank properly CDing, and DPS using their mitigation, than you could just very well be over healing or not managing your mana properly. But from my experience, DPS doing use their mitigation correctly, Healers over heal and dont properly preplan tank busters, and tanks tunnel vision. If the account of the OP is on point, it's more likely healers and DPS not doing THEIR part to make things go easier. To them, it was easier to witch about how 'undergeared' the tank was, rather than play their job.

Furthermore, once everyone's in the dungeon, and the minimum iLvL is met in DF, its all on people doing their class properly. Complaining about "Oh theyre undergeared!" is moot because the game doesnt agree with you at that point. Game sets the rules. Once youre dealt that hand, you play it or drop out. Cause trust me, Ive run plenty of content were Ive ultimately decided its not worth my time to play with people who meet only teh minimum. Not that I couldnt do it. But rather that I didnt want to use more of my time to get something done. I didnt blame the lower geared people though. I Just measured what I wanted vs what the game gave me and made a decision. Every player has that choice.

[Ilan]

DF has a minimum iLvL. That means that EVERYONE is at that minimum iLvL, that they can complete the dungeon. Im not saying its ideal, nor am I saying it's easy. But the dungeon allows you to complete it at the minimum, then its all about playstyle and mechanics at that point.

If youre running out of Mana with a tank properly CDing, and DPS using their mitigation, than you could just very well be over healing or not managing your mana properly. Once everyone's in the dungeon, and the minimum iLvL is met in DF, its all on people doing their class properly. Complaining about "Oh theyre undergeared!" is moot because the game doesnt agree with you at that point. Game sets the rules. Once youre dealt that hand, you play it or drop out. Cause trust me, Ive run plenty of content were Ive ultimately decided its not worth my time to play with people who meet only teh minimum. Not that I couldnt do it. But rather that I didnt want to use more of my time to get something done. I didnt blame the lower geared people though. I Just measured what I wanted vs what the game gave me and made a decision. Every player has that choice.

Wrong! Leveling Dungeons don't have a min ilvl. You can que up with starter gear for them.

[HyoMinPark]

DF has a minimum iLvL.

Leveling dungeons don't have minimum item levels, and we're talking about leveling dungeons. The OP was specifically talking about Castrum Abania, the level 69 dungeon.....

[Dualgunner]

DF has a minimum iLvL.

Castrum Abania has no minimum iLv requirement. That or it's so low as to be irrelevant. I queued up for it with literally only my weapon equipped just now, putting me at average iLv62.

[Melichoir]

If this is the case, then yeah, thats a problem with the DF.

[Ilan]

If this is the case, then yeah, thats a problem with the DF.

Which was already pointed out several times in several threads all over the different language sections of the forum, but SE doesn't care.