Is it wrong to run Castrum Abania as a tank at ilvl 272

[Moomba33]

While leveling dungeons are certainly doable with previous expansion gear when you get to the point where leftside nq vendor gear has more defense it does come off as lazy not to upgrade.
Accessories aren't as important. I recently leveled a WAR alt through Heavensward and Augmented Ironworks accessories have one less vitality than Vault accessories.

[Fynlar]

You have been shown that with minimal effort a tank can come in with double the defense.

Now... I know this might be hard (Math is hard). But why should a healer have to do 2 times the healing... because you are too entitled and lazy to properly gear yourself? 2 TIMES the defense with relevant gear....... it's mind boggling that you can be this obtuse.

Doubled defense (which is not quite what i280~ gear has over i270 gear, for that matter) does not mean you're taking half the damage.

Just pointing that out since you're apparently the one using math as your argument.

Again, if you think someone in i270 needs constant curebombs to tank a leveling dungeon, it's clear you haven't actually tried.

[Dualgunner]

No, it really isn't that hard at all. Also good attempt at making an issue where none exists.

Not hard on you. But I guess you and your anecdotes are all that matter in the end.

[Fynlar]

Not hard on you. But I guess you and your anecdotes are all that matter in the end.

I don't consider myself a stellar player. If I could still make it work, that means it isn't hard unless you or your party is just plain bad.

[Dualgunner]

I don't consider myself a stellar player. If I could still make it work, that means it isn't hard unless you or your party is just plain bad.

I consider you a lackadaisical player who shifts unnecessary burdens onto his party members for no good reason. You didn't make it work, your party did.

[MoroMurasaki]

Doubled defense (which is not quite what i280~ gear has over i270 gear, for that matter) does not mean you're taking half the damage.

Just pointing that out since you're apparently the one using math as your argument.

Again, if you think someone in i270 needs constant curebombs to tank a leveling dungeon, it's clear you haven't actually tried.

Your choice was between going and picking up some cheapie gear to be considerate to your party and specifically your healer or not doing that and being an inconsiderate teammate.

It's clear what you chose, that says enough about you that any subsiquent arguments hold no water even if you could do math.

No matter a player's skill if they've got a poor attitude they're not someome most people want to be around especially in a casual setting. Get over yourself and choose your party or accept that the community is going to disapprove.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Doubled defense (which is not quite what i280~ gear has over i270 gear, for that matter) does not mean you're taking half the damage.

Just pointing that out since you're apparently the one using math as your argument.

Again, if you think someone in i270 needs constant curebombs to tank a leveling dungeon, it's clear you haven't actually tried.

It's still significantly better than Shire, and easily accessible. The only reason not to have better gear is sheer laziness.

And no, you don't necessarily have to endlessly curebomb. You will, however, have to heal significantly more. You also will only be capable of pulling one pack at a time. Not only have you made the healer work harder, you've added a good 10-15 minutes to the dungeon. All because you're too lazy to upgrade your gear.

But you go on and brag about your leveling dungeon accomplishments...

[HyoMinPark]

I never said it wasn't better. But it sure didn't make the sort of difference a lot of you are claiming it would.

Except it did when they were relevant. It makes it far easier on healers if their tanks aren’t prancing around mass pulling in sub-par gear; means they don’t have to babysit them. This is especially true for inexperienced healers. You can’t expect to get a bunch of Ultimate Legend healers in every leveling dungeon you do 100% of the time.

I don't see what's "disrespectful" about it. I went through the dungeons just fine at this level. Believe me, I've tanked enough to recognize situations where I was out of my league, and these situations didn't come anywhere close.

It’s disrespectful in the same way as a healer entering into a duty with an undergeared weapon: it makes healing the tank and the party a chore, and forces the party to adjust to a person who couldn’t be bothered to upgrade. Some mechanics outright one-shot those who are undergeared because they don’t have the HP to survive.

The same holds for a tank, except now it makes it a chore to heal them, and it can make aggro management a chore if the DPS are overgeared for the content. They may survive mechanics that otherwise one-shot, but not always. And they are certainly more squishy than a tank with ~400 or more DEF/M.DEF than them (speaking on SB DEF levels, but this also holds true for HW if you consider how stats were scaled then).

If you think nobody should be allowed to tank a 4-man dungeon until they've gotten the best stuff they can for it, that's a pretty delusional expectation.

Where did I say they needed the best? You love to put words in people’s mouths, don’t you?

Accessories can stay i270, but important left side pieces like weapon, body, and legs should be kept as relevant and as close to your level as possible, as they give the most significant boost. They don’t even have to be HQ level 68 white gear for Castrum, but a decent mixture of gear from Bardam’s and Doma Castle are much better than full i270. If not to make it easier for the party, then to at least save yourself some of the pummeling you’re going to be taking from mobs.

I said they should have at least relevant gear. I didn’t say they needed to have some sort of dungeon BiS.
Get over yourself, dude.

Yeah, and Abania can be done just fine in i270 too, but people are sure freaking out about that. I see no real difference here.

At a snail’s pace with the healer basically babysitting the tank. Idk, that doesn’t translate into “just fine” for me.


Expert dungeons and leveling dungeons are completely different—leveling dungeons sync you far lower and far harsher than any expert dungeon does. The two current ones don’t even have item level syncs, which make them even more faceroll. Castrum Abania in i270 and The Burn in i360 isn’t even a remotely close comparison.

The math was already done earlier in this thread what the difference is between i270 and better gear. The increases in level 70 gear are far smaller than in the gear you can get from level 60 to 69.

Just because you choose to ignore the numbers doesn’t make them less true, nor make your “feelycrafting” better.

[WaterShield]

Doubled defense (which is not quite what i280~ gear has over i270 gear, for that matter) does not mean you're taking half the damage.

Just pointing that out since you're apparently the one using math as your argument.

Again, if you think someone in i270 needs constant curebombs to tank a leveling dungeon, it's clear you haven't actually tried.

- Augmented Shire Custodian's Armor: 480 both.

- Nomad's Coat of Fending: 610 both.

- Gazelleskin Coat of Fending NQ: 723 both.

- Yanxian Hara-ate of Fending: 739 both.

- Gazelleskin Coat of Fending HQ: 804 both.

For me a mixture of Bardam's Mettle + Doma Castle left side is acceptable, anything below that need an upgrade to at least level 68 vendor gear. No one is asking for a full 285 HQ gear set.

Ok since you are playing it this way, approximately 53.95% more defense upgrading from the old gear that is 7 levels outdated. Is that a small difference?

Also find it highly ironic that you are throwing numbers out of the conversation... except when it suits you to point out someone else's. Now that I have provided a completely accurate number. Discuss?

People supposedly good enough that they have ultimate clears should not be considering SB leveling dungeons to be remotely challenging at i270, because I sure didn't and I'm nowhere near that level. So yeah, I'm gonna be condescending all I like. I shouldn't dish it out if I can't take it.

FTFY also

"People supposedly good enough that they have ultimate clears" :thinking:

[Ilan]

In any case, you're still wrong. "Getting lucky" implies it's a fluke. When it happens every time on all of your tanks (including the ones you admittedly aren't as familiar with and don't play quite as well as your preferred tank), there's a little bit more than luck at play here.

Look, I don't know if you've tanked before or what, but it's pretty easy to tell when someone is having to drop everything and spam curebomb you just to keep you alive. The game shows you what your healer is casting, you can see their MP bar gradually plummet, and stuff like Cure 2 makes a very distinctive sound that is particularly recognizable when it's cast over and over and over.

You're assuming that's what happened to me trying to tank things like Abania in i270. I'm telling you right now that it wasn't.

You people need to stop overblowing the issue and generating a problem where none exists, or else you're not going to get taken seriously.

Direct your ire at the people hopping in SB dungeons with *entry level* L60 gear (if not worse) instead of Shire gear, because those are the people that definitely ARE too undergeared for the content they are doing. i270 is fine until 70, and all my personal experience with leveling every job primarily through SB dungeons points toward this being the case, just like it did with i130 until 60.


No, it really isn't that hard at all. Also good attempt at making an issue where none exists.

Look i know its hard for you to grasp, but that stuff hits hard and you let others carry your undergeared butt through there.
And as a former tank main i know exactly what i can see and what not. But that all doesn't matter because i can tell you that undergeared tanks explode in there i've seen it often enough as dps and as a healer.

Beeing undergeared in a leveling dungeon is a big issue because it puts way more stress on everyone besides the undergeared person and since this is a teamgame you should start showing respect for your party members and try to make their job as comfortable as possible which includes propper CD usage and up to date gear as a tank. If you don't do that people have all rights to call you out and they are not overblowing it just because you say they do it.