Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Vahlnir]

Except you're the one not doing your job properly. Aggro is a party responsibility.

To a degree. I will use Diversion as needed. However, it's a bit of a loss in dps if I have to slow down because a tank can't be bothered to keep up their threat generation and I have already exhausted my means of lowering my threat. It kinda goes both ways here. A tank needs to be a tank first, then dps.

[Mesarthim]

To a degree. I will use Diversion as needed. However, it's a bit of a loss in dps if I have to slow down because a tank can't be bothered to keep up their threat generation and I have already exhausted my means of lowering my threat. It kinda goes both ways here. A tank needs to be a tank first, then dps.

Why it's almost like this has already been brought up. I don't know how many times it has to be stated that it is a group responsibility. Tank needs to do a proper opener and make sure they keep up their damage to prevent the aggro gap from closing too fast. DPS need to make sure to use diversion in burst situations or pop lucid to dump aggro.

Why are people so against being responsible and using diversion and lucid? If the tank does their part but the dps isnt using their aggro skills? DPS fault. However if the dps are using their aggro skills and they take aggro? Tank fault.

Now to wait for the next post that repeats how tanks need to be tanks and not dps.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

To a degree. I will use Diversion as needed. However, it's a bit of a loss in dps if I have to slow down because a tank can't be bothered to keep up their threat generation and I have already exhausted my means of lowering my threat. It kinda goes both ways here. A tank needs to be a tank first, then dps.

Unless you vastly out-gear the tank, they didn't do a proper opener themselves or they weren't Shirked, this simply will not happen if you're using Diversion. Samurai also has Merciful Eye. The dps loss using it over Seigan is negligible. Regardless, I will call for a Shirk first if I notice DPS are creeping up on me. And if I don't receive one, I'll Shirk the off-tank and let them deal with it.

[Vahlnir]

Why it's almost like this has already been brought up. I don't know how many times it has to be stated that it is a group responsibility. Tank needs to do a proper opener and make sure they keep up their damage to prevent the aggro gap from closing too fast. DPS need to make sure to use diversion in burst situations or pop lucid to dump aggro.

Why are people so against being responsible and using diversion and lucid? If the tank does their part but the dps isnt using their aggro skills? DPS fault. However if the dps are using their aggro skills and they take aggro? Tank fault.

Now to wait for the next post that repeats how tanks need to be tanks and not dps.

It clearly does need to be repeated. I'm not against using my toolkit at all, nor am I against being responsible. So I will repeat it yet again until someone gets it. A tank needs to be a tank first, then a dps.

Unless you vastly out-gear the tank, they didn't do a proper opener themselves or they weren't Shirked, this simply will not happen if you're using Diversion. Samurai also has Merciful Eye. The dps loss using it over Seigan is negligible. Regardless, I will call for a Shirk first if I notice DPS are creeping up on me. And if I don't receive one, I'll Shirk the off-tank and let them deal with it.

There's just very few tanks (at least in my experience) who understand that. I agree with you, though. Tanks can, and should, tank and dps. It's beneficial to the group as a whole. They just need to be capable of doing so. If they are not I'd prefer that they not multitask.

[Nestama]

If both tanks know what they're doing (circle shirking), then it won't ever be an issue. They can stay in Deliverance and Sword Oath for as long as they like and never have to risk losing hate. As a SAM, I'm usually pretty high on the list, but rarely to a point of taking hate (only time I do is if I forget to use Diversion or if a tank KO's). If I ever do find myself a little too high on the hate list and Diversion is down, then I use Merciful Eyes instead of Blue-button up-slash attack (I think it's called Seigan? I dunno SAM attack names...).

[Mesarthim]

It clearly does need to be repeated. I'm not against using my toolkit at all, nor am I against being responsible. So I will repeat it yet again until someone gets it. A tank needs to be a tank first, then a dps.

I mean we already understand this. Who is this aimed at anyway? I mean it's great that you're responsible but who are you saying needs to understand that tanks need to tank first before dpsing? Tanks by their very nature do dps unless you want a pure flash tank.

[Vahlnir]

I mean we already understand this. Who is this aimed at anyway? I mean it's great that you're responsible but who are you saying needs to understand that tanks need to tank first before dpsing?

Any of the many tanks who don't get it. I'm not attacking you or anyone in particular. It's just frustrating how so many lately don't understand this and felt the need to repeat myself. A few posts in the last few pages also seem to convey the same message, that being "tanks can do as they want, dps git gud". And that's not true. As you and others have said, it's a group responsibility.

[Mesarthim]

That is fair. I mean I can reference this one cotank I had for deltascape some pages ago that couldn't hold aggro even in shield oath. But that's a whole different problem on its own when they do so poor damage they can't keep aggro at all. It's one of those players you just can't teach because they won't communicate with the party.

[LittleChickenNugget]

We need to get this back on topic and go back to sharing stories, good or bad, from our duties. Not argue over ten pages repeating the same thing.

[Mesarthim]

Well, no one is preventing others from posting. You're not exactly adding any stories yourself.