Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Adrestia]

Paladins are supposed to be MT by default for lvl 50 content since your only combo is rage of halone. Stick to sword oath and keep using rage of halone, their problem not yours.

Yeah, it’s just a job design problem. No old-fashioned “I have the shield so I’m the main tank” nonsense. The fact is just that at 50 all you’ve got is RoH.

If you get stuck with an obstinate non-PLD tank who refuses to do their job appropriately, or multiple PLDs at 50 so what else can you do, you can somewhat mitigate the problem with Shirk. Chances are if they’re the kind of tank who will fight you on aggro, they’re the type who will blindly spam their own enmity combo while in tank stance. So between you not having Shield Oath threat mod and shirking them on cooldown, you’ll be kind of somewhat okayish.

It’s a bandaid to a bad situation, but sometimes that’s what you have to do to beat the bad cotank boss.

[MoroMurasaki]

Yeah, it’s just a job design problem. No old-fashioned “I have the shield so I’m the main tank” nonsense. The fact is just that at 50 all you’ve got is RoH.

If you get stuck with an obstinate non-PLD tank who refuses to do their job appropriately, or multiple PLDs at 50 so what else can you do, you can somewhat mitigate the problem with Shirk. Chances are if they’re the kind of tank who will fight you on aggro, they’re the type who will blindly spam their own enmity combo while in tank stance. So between you not having Shield Oath threat mod and shirking them on cooldown, you’ll be kind of somewhat okayish.

It’s a bandaid to a bad situation, but sometimes that’s what you have to do to beat the bad cotank boss.

I've shirked party members in Crystal Tower stuff too, for when you're unable to shirk another tank. It doesn't help them keep much of a lead but it helps keep me further down the list. Thus far haven't seen any adverse effects apart from a (very lazy) BLM asking me why I shirked them rather rudely.

Spoiler, it was because I hadn't seen a thunder dot on anything up to that point so it seemed like a safe bet that he wasn't doing enough to rip. And if he did... :shrug:

But 3 of them he pressed only once during the run and Protect doesn't really count.

But he sure was respecting the content xD

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Paladins are supposed to be MT by default for lvl 50 content since your only combo is rage of halone. Stick to sword oath and keep using rage of halone, their problem not yours.

Honestly I've only ever heard it that WARs should MT by default since we don't even get our dps stance until 52, whereas both DRK and PLD have both their stances by 50.

... Really wish they'd put WAR on equal footing in that regard.

[MetalSnakeXI1]

But you shouldn't really be doing aggro combos or being in tank stance :thinking:

Holding enmity on the tank is the entire party's job. In something like a dungeon with trash pulls yes you may need to pop into tank stance and use your aoe enmity generator but in any single target situation there is literally no need.

If you aren't woefully undergeared compared to your dps as a WAR you can literally hold off of everyone with Defiance (Unchained) Tomohawk (Equilibrium, Deliverance) and into Storm's Eye. If you have a BRD and no NIN maybe one aggro combo since they don't have diversion.

I understand this isn't a tale from the duty finder but I just wanted to explain away the misinformation.

Like I said I did use refresh so I was doing my part of keeping enmity off me so I did my job here.....same when I use a Melee DPS i use diversion

The rest is up to the tank,yes it's a party job but at the same time shade from a ninja or even shirking from the OT doesn't substitute the tank's ability to keep aggro up

[AxHell]

So something fun happened today in A 11 when I went into it as a SMN.

So during the second phase, the OT dies and Mustard Bomb comes up. The DPS who had the highest HP, DRG, went to pick the tether up. I decided to stay put and rez the OT.

When the DRG got it he decided to jump which was a sound tactic...except he jumped over me...which made me have the tether.

"Wut" was my last word before death.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

Holding enmity on the tank is the entire party's job.

No. Getting through the content is everyone's job. Adjusting for party weaknesses is everyone's job. Getting the enemy's attention and holding it? That's the tank's tank's job. Expecting other roles to manage aggro just so they can stay out of tank stance and dps is not actually in anyone's job description. If your group is down with it, then fine but certainly don't expect it from me unless there's a legit reason I need to aggro dump. :\

[ChaoticCrimson]

Sorry if I'm being "that guy", but does anyone else get thrown off when people refer to the Alphascape fights as A9, A10, etc. instead of O9, O10, etc.? I always expect them to mean one of the Alexander fights, since that's usually how they were referred to. No one called Exdeath D4 or Kefka S8, so why did the convention change here in Alphascape?

[Dreggit]

Sorry if I'm being "that guy", but does anyone else get thrown off when people refer to the Alphascape fights as A9, A10, etc. instead of O9, O10, etc.? I always expect them to mean one of the Alexander fights, since that's usually how they were referred to. No one called Exdeath D4 or Kefka S8, so why did the convention change here in Alphascape?

I refer to Coil a T(number)
Alexander as A(number)
Omega as O(number)

I never though it made sense to reuse an already defined alphanumeric for a raid

[Cincierta]

Earlier today I was leveling up archer in Haukke Manor on an alt. Party was DRK, WHM, NIN, ARC. Things are fairly smooth for the run (besides me having to remind the tank to turn on their Grit) and both the drk and nin easily getting caught in several Dark Mists from the servants. We beat the first boss and the nin says, 'No songs, no tactician, no refresh. Worst bard ever.' and immediately leaves after the first loot roll on the chest.

I'm 28 archer. I don't get to unlock brd until 30, and Tactician and Refresh until 32 and 34 respectively. wat?

[Vidu]

No. Getting through the content is everyone's job. Adjusting for party weaknesses is everyone's job. Getting the enemy's attention and holding it? That's the tank's tank's job. Expecting other roles to manage aggro just so they can stay out of tank stance and dps is not actually in anyone's job description. If your group is down with it, then fine but certainly don't expect it from me unless there's a legit reason I need to aggro dump. :\

There is absolutly no reason for you NOT to use your aggro dump (I'm only willing to argue about that in the case of maschnist and bard since their aggro dumps are stupidly paired with their MP/TP-regen and they might hold off on using them for aggro dumping to use them later for the regen-purpose) and there is no reason for an OT not to use shirk on the maintank.
You have those skills, so you should make use of them when appropriate.

This whole idea of "Oh no, I'm gonna fight the tank for aggro and force them into tank stance because I think that thats how a tank should be played!" is pretty... bad and silly, for lack of better words.

That the game is giving you skills to drop your aggro, that the game is including those skills into your job should be "job description" enough.
Not making use of your entire toolkit doesnt make you a good dps - quite the opposite, it makes you an annoying pain in the ass for a tank who IS trying their best to ensure a quick run for the entire party.

If you rip aggro off a tank and your aggro drops are not on cooldown, its not the tank who was the bad player here - it was you. You could have prevented that, yet you didnt.