Hoarding Houses - Sometimes a Depressing Sight (a rant)

[MaybeOliverB]

I am impressed that you have managed to avoid to multiple instances in which this has been explained.



Oh yes I'm sure a ward full of grandfathered plots means nothing to people who have access to none. Fcs stuck in a cottage that need a bigger house don't care about medium and large plots that are mostly abandoned by grandfathered players.

/s in case that wasn't obvious

Also do you have a source for "it keeps going down every week"? Are you somehow privy to information about activity of every single house in the game? Do you have access to SE's internal statistics for housing?



From what I understand being able to purchase eight fc houses on the same server after 4.2 requires using a loophole. If you are the fc master of a house with a fc you cannot buy another fc plot...unless you temporarily give fc leadership to a character on another account, buy the second fc house, and get fc master back again with the first character and...voila you own more than one fc house.

If I'm wrong then please tell me how this is done, because I distinctly remember reading that you cannot buy another personal or fc house if you already own one of each. As far as I recall you can't even buy a fc house if you're even in an fc with a house on any character in that server.

And I remember this because I was unsure about the wording of SE's statement about the 4.2 changes, and I asked in these forums if having my alts in my fc would somehow be affected.

If this is how it's done then sorry no, that's not an intentional feature SE gave us. That's a loophole. If it was intentional then SE wouldn't have bothered to prevent fc masters from being able to buy more fc houses on the same server.

I'm impressed that you post in here without knowledge on the subject. If you would understand that people do stop playing this game and people do trade houses, you would logically figure out that the amount of grandfathered plots keeps dropping as it only affect personal houses. FC houses were grandfathered for two weeks and have since been the de facto option for players that are into reselling multiple plots. There are no loop holes involved, FC houses require 4 players, a rank 6 FC and x amount of gil.

My question still stands, why do you people care about a small amount of grandfathered houses when you can still have 8 FC houses on the same server with a single account without any circumvention of the ingame rules?

[Penthea]

I'm impressed that you post in here without knowledge on the subject. If you would understand that people do stop playing this game and people do trade houses, you would logically figure out that the amount of grandfathered plots keeps dropping as it only affect personal houses.

Only affects personal houses? I have personally seen grandfathered plots that are fc houses, care to explain this?

As for people who stop playing the game...wow, what weak reasoning "hey it's okay for me to own 27 houses because some house hoarders stop playing the game". That's akin to saying "hey it's okay for me to own loads of toys even if it means some children will have none because children grow up and then are adults".

FC houses were grandfathered for two weeks and have since been the de facto option for players that are into reselling multiple plots. There are no loop holes involved, FC houses require 4 players, a rank 6 FC and x amount of gil.

If there are no loopholes then please explain this:

Is this information out of date? Then if so please provide official information from SE stating this. If you do then I will bow down on this particular argument on who can buy what and how.

[MaybeOliverB]

As for people who stop playing the game...wow, what weak reasoning "hey it's okay for me to own 27 houses because some house hoarders stop playing the game". That's akin to saying "hey it's okay for me to own loads of toys even if it means some children will have none because children grow up and then are adults".

What are you even going on about, you completely missed what I was saying and ended up extrapolating. Once again, you're hard pressed to put words into other people's mouth.

Only affects personal houses? I have personally seen grandfathered plots that are fc houses, care to explain this?
If there are no loopholes then please explain this:

Is this information out of date? Then if so please provide official information from SE stating this. If you do then I will bow down on this particular argument on who can buy what.

You are clueless. Here are the current requirements for a free company




What you are all overlooking is the temporary changes to purchasing land. Some are still ongoing, some are not. How do I know? I wasn't able to purchase more FC houses on the same account when the new wards were only available to FCs or personal houses relocation.

It's true that the limitation on FC houses per account was quietly lifted (probably when personal housing could be bought again), and I actually agree that this is a good thing. SE needs to make up their mind about how to deal with alts, and the housing situation has kind of forced their hand but they're still waffling over it, probably because it goes against their original stance.

Alts were supposed to be completely independent characters in their own right, separate from the "main" and fully actualized. That was the excuse for not being able to mail them from your main (and something something rmt as if they don't just use the FC chest but anyway). Not allowing them to own their own houses is a good move considering the housing shortage, but it breaks from that original premise. You CANNOT be a full characterwhen you're restricted by the other characters on the account. For this reason, the FC restriction was good only as a temporary measure alongside the temporary freeze on personal housing purchases, to allow homeless FCs the chance to snag houses without worrying about someone buying a bunch of them up in single-person FCs with their alts. However, there are a number of players with multiple active characters that they have in separate FCs and IN GENERAL if one of those FCs happens to not have a house, they shouldn't have to kick someone just because their alt is in a different FC with a house. It was a special situation, and it's over now. The playerbase as a whole shouldn't have to be that restricted on a regular basis, especially on smaller servers (like mine, where there are still lots of empty houses sitting at the minimum price).

Correct, it was a temporary change while they were altering the current housing rules. There is nothing stopping a player from owning 1 FC house and 1 personal house per character right now. Until SE changes the rules people should be focused on trying to alter the rules, not witch hunt players because they had the resources and patience to play the game with in the rules.

Thats not how the temp rule worked. You could have multiple characters on the same world in multiple FC's, but if one of more of those FC's owned a home no other character on that world could purchase a FC home.
The temp rules!! No where does it say you could not have every character on a single world in a FC.

[Penthea]

What are you even going on about, you completely missed what I was saying and ended up extrapolating. Once again, you're hard pressed to put words into other people's mouth.

No I didn't. It appears that I had outdated info, and that SE have not publicly stated that the limitation on the purchasing of fc houses was lifted, if the information you have provided is to be believed. I bow down on this particular argument. You are correct. You can buy multiple fc plots without loopholes. I am more informed about this now. Thank you.

However you're still very wrong that grandfathered players are not causing issues, and this claim that the houses they own are dropping every week is something you pulled out of the air. I asked how you knew this and you provided no source whatsoever despite being someone who clearly is on a mission to prove me wrong. I am still waiting.

[MaybeOliverB]

I am more informed about this now. Thank you.

However you're still very wrong that grandfathered players are not causing issues, and this claim that the houses they own are dropping every week is something you pulled out of the air. I asked how you knew this and you provided no source whatsoever despite being someone who clearly is on a mission to prove me wrong. I am still waiting.

More informed? You have still have no firsthand knowledge about the topic.

I'm absolutely not wrong in saying that grandfathered players are not even an issue. Before dwelling into this, let's get this out of the way. Since 4.2, owning more than 1 personal house per server/account has no purpose other than bragging rights.


You can be a lvl 1 player with 2 quests completed under your belt and buy an FC house. Unlike personal house owners, FC home owners do not have to meet any minimum level requirement and the second lieutenant GC requirement in order to own or even purchase a plot. With how easy you can level up an FC, there was no reason to level up a character to 50 just to purchase additional plots.

FC houses have always had an edge over personal houses. Both offer the same amount of garden beds, if you don't take flower pots that can be placed inside personal rooms into consideration, but the list stops here. FC houses can be outfitted with a workshop, which is a plus value regardless of if you are reselling the house or if you are a crafter. FC houses can also charge FC buffs, but the main advantage comes from the fact that you can transfer ownership of the house to any player without having them relocate or purchase the plot again.

So here's a breakdown of the changes with patch 4.2 regarding personal and fc houses.

Pre 4.2

Personal house:
Up to 8 per server.
Cannot be transfered, buyer has to purchase the plot and pay x amount of gil to the previous owner.
Gardening ($).

FC house:
Up to 8 per server.
Easily transferable and can be relinquished if the buyer desires to use the plot for their personal house.
Workshop ($).
Airships/Submarines ($).
House can be used to charge FC buffs ($).
Gardening ($).


Post 4.2

Personal house:
Limited to 1 per account. Grandfathered players cannot purchase more personal houses after getting rid of their extra one(s).
Cannot be transfered, buyer has to purchase the plot and pay x amount of gil to the previous owner.
Cannot be purchased on the spot. Players that would like to acquire their first house better click on that placard a lot.
Gardening ($).

FC house:
Up to 8 per server.
Easily transferable and can be relinquished if the buyer desires to use the plot for their personal house through relocation.
Workshop ($).
Airships/Submarines ($).
House can be used to charge FC buffs ($).
Gardening ($).

So now that we know that FC houses have a higher value on the house trading market, suffer no restriction other than how many characters you have on a specific server and that the requirements to obtain one are much more lower than the personal houses, why would anyone keep extra personal houses other than for bragging rights? As mentioned above, grandfathered characters cannot purchase more personal houses than what they already have, they can only lose them. Whether it's because they sold it to another player/FC or through auto-demolition, the amount of grandfathered personal plots logically goes down every week due to players leaving the game and the lack of incentive to keep extra personal houses. A grandfathered character that has traded his/her house away can always replace his character's personal by an FC house afterwards, but they don't fall in the grandfathered category anymore.

I know my server's housing situation very well. Doubt me? Check my signature. As you may or may not know, Gilgamesh used to be the go-to server for the raiding scene. Guess who tends to level more than 1 character to 50? Raiders. Despite having tons of players on this server with more than 1 character at 50 for raid purposes, few actually own more than 1 house. I know way more players with multi-home FCs.

You can't say that grandfathered players are the issue when you can make 50 fresh characters on a server and end up with 50 FC houses in an evening. That's just plain ignorance.

[Penthea]

So now that we know that FC houses have a higher value on the house trading market, suffer no restriction other than how many characters you have on a specific server and that the requirements to obtain one are much more lower than the personal houses, why would anyone keep extra personal houses other than for bragging rights? As mentioned above, grandfathered characters cannot purchase more personal houses than what they already have, they can only lose them.

How does this mean grandfathered plots are dropping, and I quote you, "every week"? Literally nothing you have said here states how they drop every week. This is just you saying "well they can't sell the personal houses, so why would they keep them?". Just like how you don't know how many grandfathered plots actually do drop in any given space of time, you also do not know the personal reasons why grandfathered players hang on to their plots. At best you can guess.

Whether it's because they sold it to another player/FC or through auto-demolition, the amount of grandfathered personal plots logically goes down every week due to players leaving the game and the lack of incentive to keep extra personal houses.

I see so what you're actually saying is "grandfathered plots become free sometimes". Absolutely nothing here suggests that it would have to be every week. Literally zero.

And what is this "lack of incentive to keep extra personal houses"? I can't even begin to count how many times in this thread I have been told about people who lovingly decorated their 3/7/15/etc houses. Have you suddenly decided that this isn't an incentive just to suit your argument? Have you now decided that pair on Mateus are actually real estate agents instead of people who actually enjoy owning many houses? Well at least you admitted that bragging rights is a possible incentive.

[MaybeOliverB]

How does this mean grandfathered plots are dropping, and I quote you, "every week"? Literally nothing you have said here states how they drop every week. This is just you saying "well they can't sell the personal houses, so why would they keep them?". Just like how you don't know how many grandfathered plots actually do drop in any given space of time, you also do not know the personal reasons why grandfathered players hang on to their plots. At best you can guess.



I see so what you're actually saying is "grandfathered plots become free sometimes". Absolutely nothing here suggests that it would have to be every week. Literally zero.

And what is this "lack of incentive to keep extra personal houses"? I can't even begin to count how many times in this thread I have been told about people who lovingly decorated their 3/7/15/etc houses. Have you suddenly decided that this isn't an incentive just to suit your argument? Have you now decided that pair on Mateus are actually real estate agents instead of people who actually enjoy owning many houses? Well at least you admitted that bragging rights is a possible incentive.

Love how you miss the point every single time. Why do you care about grandfathered houses when you don't even need to be grandfathered in order to own more than 1 house? You've been barking at the wrong tree this entire thread. Now you're just all over the place trying to tell me that the actual amount of grandfathered houses doesn't go down.

I know housing way better than you do, just look a few posts up. I can tell you that I own more non grandfathered houses in the Mist than the amount of grandfathered houses left in that specific housing area on my server at this point. The % of players with more than 1 personal houses before 4.2 was already low and let's argue that half of those were intended for resell. Well guess what, these plots have been sold since then. Now you're left with the other half of an already small % of houses that are grandfathered. It's been nearly a year since 4.2. Players have move to different servers, stopped playing, got rid of their extra home because of X reason. Chop that number in half and you end up with a handful of people left with more than 1 personal houses.

There was 2 880 plots per server before 4.2. Let's say a very generous 10% of the houses were owned by players that already had a personal house. So 288 houses. Patch 4.2 increased the amount of plots by 50% and now sits at 4 320. Remove half of the 288 grandfathered plots that were only kept for resell purposes. 144. Remove the other half that have let go of their plots for various other reasons, 72. Barely a full ward... out of the 72 wards available. You're getting pretty close to 1% of houses being owned by grandfathered players.

More houses are auto-demolished every month on Gilgamesh compared to the total amount of grandfathered personal houses. But hey, I don't see you complain about all those people who do absolutely nothing with their house for 45 days. Do you think it's okay to have more than an entire ward in limbo all year long on a populated server?

Finally, since you seem so picky about the words I use...

I can't even begin to count how many times in this thread I have been told about people who lovingly decorated their 3/7/15/etc houses.

Show me the posts in this thread where players have come out to talk about their 3/7/15 decorated houses. They don't seem to exist