Late to the BLU Party

[jon041065]

wrong? have to disagree. if blue mage was to ever catch up to lvl cap it would not be limited from large pieces of the game anymore and would be allowed in a majority of it meaning the people who would still be upset would be the minority raiders.

compromise is normally like meeting in the middle. your compromise is since we can't get rid of the op aspect of BLU you have to make it viable in raids because i said so.
which isn't compromise a compromise would be we would accept a max lvl blu who isn't allowed in in raids. at least this way you get most content without breaking end game.

Even if it does reach level cap sometime doens't mean the devs will allow it in raids. They made it rather clear that they think right now blue mage would break endgame. That they don't want to put limitations on it's abilities because "that wouldn't be fun then" so they limited the job in other ways which people on my side find "not fun". There are more than just raiders that are upset with blue mage right now.

Compromise as in leaving the solo stuff alone for blu but also allowing a full version of blu. They could have a DF option "limited job mode" to allow people to have the crazy solo abilities, a curated spell set that they can balance and make feel like it fits in the game, or have two different blue mages with different job stones. Both sides can get what they want and most on our side have said we would wait even till the 6.0 expac.

On the other hand, if the future limited jobs take the gameplay resources that would have been spent if the next Diadem/Eureka, and the world building resources goes towards the overworld and benefits everyone instead of being a segregated instanced zone, then its a net benefit for all.

Remove "if the future limited jobs" from that statement and you would have most of the player base on board.

[Musashidon]

Even if it does reach level cap sometime doens't mean the devs will allow it in raids.

they specifically designed blu to be op in raids and such so if they did reach lvl cap that would be a correct statement but i am saying i believe more hate is on it being stuck at lvl 50 and not able to hit lvl 70 and not at the idea that it's not allowed into end game content like raids/ex primals.

the compromise is allowed it to hit lvl cap so it can do maps/hunts with the rest while also being able to other side stuff at max lvl but not be allowed to enter the end game raiding/ primal scene to make most people happy.

[jon041065]

they specifically designed blu to be op in raids and such so if they did reach lvl cap that would be a correct statement but i am saying i believe more hate is on it being stuck at lvl 50 and not able to hit lvl 70 and not at the idea that it's not allowed into end game content like raids/ex primals.

the compromise is allowed it to hit lvl cap so it can do maps/hunts with the rest while also being able to other side stuff at max lvl but not be allowed to enter the end game raiding/ primal scene to make most people happy.

Well you haven't been understanding what our side wants then if that's what you believe and that would be a compromise but would only put a small dent into the backlash. It would take blue mage being a full job OR even the announcement that they will be working towards it and have it done in time for the 6.0 expac. We want a FULL job that can do all the content like the other 15 jobs already in the game.

So if Blue Mage comes out, but a ton of people don't start leaving the game, would you concede that it wasn't as big a misstep as people are making it out to be?

People are already leaving and it's also driving away others from returning or trying out the game. We don't know how many but I can say that's true for myself, my friends that were already playing, friends that might have returned, and some that I was trying to bring over from WoW.

no i have, been the problem is you think a majority of players raid. the backlash has been very minor its been 10 days now and most the threads are the same people saying the same thing in the same circle. when housing got change it got 100 page thread in like a day in a half there isn't a huge backlash and like i said from what i have seen in the threads more people are mad its lvl 50 than not allowed in current end game.

I have yet to see people on my side claim that the majority of players want to raid. This backlash is from more than just raiders. You know that right? A lot of people love blue mage and want to use it in the FULL game. As I told the other poster, there have been people already quitting the game over this and moving onto something else. So some posters on our side are just gone. Also, both sides have been repeating a lot of the same points. Don't act like it's just our side.

[Musashidon]

Well you haven't been understanding what our side wants then if that's what you believe and that would be a compromise but would only put a small dent into the backlash. It would take blue mage being a full job OR even the announcement that they will be working towards it and have it done in time for the 6.0 expac.

no i have, been the problem is you think a majority of players raid. the backlash has been very minor its been 10 days now and most the threads are the same people saying the same thing in the same circle. when housing got change it got 100 page thread in like a day in a half there isn't a huge backlash and like i said from what i have seen in the threads more people are mad its lvl 50 than not allowed in current end game.

I have yet to see people on my side claim that the majority of players want to raid. This backlash is from more than just raiders. You know that right? A lot of people love blue mage and want to use it in the FULL game. As I told the other poster, there have been people already quitting the game over this and moving onto something else. So some posters on our side are just gone. Also, both sides have been repeating a lot of the same points. Don't act like it's just our side.

i said both saids are just going back in forth that is what is fake inflating the threads and still they aren't all that large to begin with compared to real backlashes that have happened before.

yes i understand more than raiders want to use blu that is why it being lvl 70 but locked out of raids will fix the issue due to more just want to hit current max lvl.

people quit in 2.0 over being able to jump AND over the grass particles. saying someone quit over something or a few people quit doesn't mean there should be alarm initially there needs to be more than that as people quit over smn or the game being super easy/gear progression what makes this one bigger? is it the fact this time is affects specifically you on a topic you actually care about?

Where did I give you the impression i want it behind content? It should never have to catch up to begin with. We simply are paying to beta test a new job for 3-6 months then there is no guartees when it/if it get raised by time 5.0 hits.

you never gave that impression is was just a question. do you want it to be able to do all content is it unacceptable to be locked out of anything at all? i keep hearing how everyone wants that and that's the only option but in the threads most complaints aren't its locked out of raids its that its locked to lvl 50

also it will be allowed in 24 man raids it will be doing crystal tower. so once (if ever) it gets lvl 60 it can do void ark. same with ivalice (unless its this expansion)

also i do agree it should be allowed in HOH and POTD. that's solo content that blu would excel well in.