This video tells you why some people thought FFXIV 1.2. is a better MMO than 2.0

[Penthea]

let's be honest, there's only 0.07%-6.90% players are doing raid now, most people have already get bored of it or have no interest in this.
this type of content is not working for most players

I see, so when I dispel your myth that good team players are unique to 1.0 you clap back with "but raiding isn't the most popular content anyway". So what if it isn't? This doesn't change the fact that XIV in its current state has a lot of good people playing it.

Also it's not as if savage is the only content the game ever gets. Compared to many other mmos XIV's high end raiding tiers are freaking tiny. Savage is clearly not the main or only focus for the XIV team.

Trying to discredit XIV due to how many people play savage is like trying to discredit a clothes shop based on how many people buy socks. There is more than just savage in XIV, and there are more than just socks in a clothes shop.

[ShanXiv]

...wow when other people said you're full of bias and rose tinted glasses they weren't kidding.

My current raiding team is exactly how you describe your 1.2 experience. We're a true team who have formed wonderful friendships. Having those kinds of people to raid with is not unique to any game at all. While games can nurture certain kinds of players, people are people. You find bad and good everywhere.

1.0 wasn't some paradise where all the good people were left behind. Good people are playing XIV right now. But you're so caught up in the past that you're not putting yourself in the position to find them. It's no wonder you feel isolated. You're just spending your time wishing you were elsewhere. Who wants to play with someone like that?

let's be honest, there's only 0.07%-6.90% （0.30% in your server) players are doing raid now, most people have already get bored of it or have no interest in this.
this type of content is not working for most players

...he probably "left" the company because FFXV was eating way, way to much money without making enough to warrant further investments into the game.
Kinda reminds one of Tanaka and the mess that 1.0 was...

Find a different favorite company; a different favorite game - at this point you're not doing yourself a favour by sitting around and wishing for the past to come back...



You dont say! :O

Pssst, 1.0 would have died aswell with no updates

FFXIV 1.2x had a lot less updates than what we have now,
but we were having good times,

in 2.0, you can see people complain they are bored after the new patch released just one or two days

To be fair, Savage Raiding was never intended for 'most players'. It was intended for those who are seeking a higher level of challenge that can't be found through MSQ. The bar of entry was lowered for those interested, yes, but let's be honest - Savage was never meant for the overall playerbase.

That's why we need more mid core contents, just like hamlet defense & job quests, party contents in FFXIV1.2x

Yeah, mesuring MMO health with end-game raid completion ratio totaly seems like a good plan.

Fact is : FFXIV 1.xx failed so hard they had to shut it down to avoid bankruptcy but yeah, totaly was the best MMO of SE ever.

FFXIV 4.xx is so bad they release a new expansion next years and still classed as one of the best MMO on the market since 2.0 but yeah the game suck so hard they have a world tour for teasing upcoming expansion and have passed 14.000.000 registered player account.

I agree that 1.0 is garbage, but..hey!1.2x was fun to play LOL, & it‘s more fun than now

Neither was 1.0 as a whole game - and thats why it failed.

At least FFXIV 2.0 and on wards offers enough other content for those who dont want to raid (and that census isnt accurate anyways - it only shows clears for the last instances of the raid-tier; it doesnt include the people who do raid, but just never reach that - but who still enjoy the company of their friends while trying)

Besides: Pentheas post wasnt about how great raiding is but that they found people/friends that way - I assure you that there are a lot of other ways, not connected to raiding that let you find friends.
You need neither the mess that was 1.0 nor the "special intrest" that is raiding.

what “other contents” you mean? Duty roulette? eureka? LOL...

I see, so when I dispel your myth that good team players are unique to 1.0 you clap back with "but raiding isn't the most popular content anyway". So what if it isn't? This doesn't change the fact that XIV in its current state has a lot of good people playing it.
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Seriously, I think the 1.2x & XI community (people), are better than 2.0
we never blame others if we wiped, but in 2.0:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...y.-Let-s-vent.

FFXIV 4.xx is so bad they release a new expansion next years and still classed as one of the best MMO on the market since 2.0 but yeah the game suck so hard they have a world tour for teasing upcoming expansion and have passed 14.000.000 registered player account.

Mcdonald's & CocaCola sell a lot,,are they good? are they healthy?
oh & now some F2P,cashshop mobile games are selling more than XIV, so they are more successful than XIV2.0? will you play them?

[Nariel]

Mcdonald's & CocaCola sell a lot,,are they good? are they healthy?

Playing MMO isn't healthy either to begin with but ok.

Their product taste good enough for millions of people to buy them so your point ?

FFXIV 1.0 wasn't even close to being good, it failed. It didn't even appeal to enough people to be a niche but solid MMO, you can put it how ever you want, facts talk for themselves.

1.23 was a band aid on a wooden leg.

[DevonEllwood]

The video series was a documentary on how 1.0 was. The guy talking in the video has said 1.0 should ever be repeated and is also constantly confused when people ask to have 1.0 back. Humanity has a fascination for the worst parts of history.

[Vidu]

what “other contents” you mean? Duty roulette? eureka? LOL...


Seriously, I think the 1.2x & XI community (people), are better than 2.0
we never blame others if we wiped, but in 2.0:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...y.-Let-s-vent.

...yeah, I'm sure all people in 1.0 were nothing but friendly and kind saints and that this isnt only your clouded memory talking. No one never-ever was mean in 1.0!

In regards to other content: Yes, dungeons and Eureka are examples of "other content" that is more or less liked by people.
Keep in mind that not everyone has to like everything this game offers! Disliking one piece of content doesnt mean the whole game sucks.

Other content that you can do with or without friends - not everything is equally well recieved, which is fine though. Not everything has to be for everyone:
- PotD/HoH - both as alternative to leveling and as challenge for smaller groups/solo
- Primals - middle ground between Savage and NMs. Mount-farms are a great thing to do with friends/your FC!
- 24-man-raids - specially when they're "current content" and you still need your weekly drop. Lots of fun with friends and voice-chat!
- Maps - great FC/LS-content!
- PvP - I know that this isnt the prime-feature SE would like it to be, but queue-times have improved a lot, so apparently people are playing it after all...?
- Hunts - niche-open-world content? Maybe! Still content, specially for committed hunters in tight communities. I'm always impressed reading about certain servers and their hunt-communities.
- Crafting and Gathering - not going into depth here, and while this is mainly solo-content its also the kind of content that lets you help other people by providing them with gear (maybe even free of charge!)
- Gold Saucer - yes, mainly minigames, but that doesnt prevent it from being fun at times!
- Mainstory and storytelling Sidequests

Also a couple of things my friends and I like(d) to do:
Weekly Khloe books, minimum ilvl runs of old content like Coil, jumping puzzles, actually creating puzzles and riddles for each other

I'm not saying that something like an adjusted version of Hamlet Defense might not be a good addition to the game! But I am saying that I highly doubt that 1.0 was so, so much better just because it had that one piece of content.

I'm also unsure whats so special about the "job quests" you keep bringing up again and again. Can anyone enlighten me how job quests in 1.0 were different from the job quests we have now...? I could have sworn I remember doing job quests, involving stories and lore related to the job in question...!

Edit: And I even forgot about a lot of content - Beast Tribes, all the stuff you can collect, GLAMOUR! (the glamour-system was added with one of the 2.X-patches if memory serves right)... not even counting leveling all jobs to 70 and probably quite a few more things. Not all of them will keep you busy for an entire evening, obviously. But they dont have to - you can pick and chose, mix and match what you want to do!
I always think of the game like an All-You-Can-Eat buffet: It offers a lot of things, not everyone will like everything and not everything is totally filling. And you can go and pick the things you like.
And I also recall how I acted around those kind of buffets as a little kid: I was a picky eater, didnt like anything... so taking me there was pretty much pointless. So my parents either didnt or shruged with their shoulders - "There is enough food for you to pick from, dont complain about being hungry!"
So whenever I see some go on about how there is no content (that they would like to do) I'm wondering... are they just a very, very picky eater and went to the wrong kind of restaurant...?

[HyoMinPark]

There's probably more people that raid and clear Savage than were present at the end of 1.0's life. So if raiding isn't a successful piece of content in your eyes due to low participation rates, what does that say about 1.0 when it was taken offline, since the participation in it was even lower?

You hate this game, so do everyone a favor - especially yourself - and unsubscribe. I have my own beefs with this game, but at least I don't spend the entirety of my time on here complaining about it. If I truly hated it as much as you do, I'd stop paying for it.

Such a novel concept!

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

What's even worse is apparently they pay twice cuz they are afraid to get banned lol

[InkstainedGwyn]

I mean, seriously, OP either has delusions that eventually they'll open everyone's eyes and we'll demand 1.0 back (and somehow get it?) or they just thrive off the negative attention. Ignore their threads and hopefully eventually they'll unsub and pass the time watching youtube videos of "the good old days".

[Stanelis]

1.Fun party contents:
Hamlet defence,

Bloody hell, now I've read everything on this forum.

If you'd have talked to me about primals or chocobo escorts I may have agreed. But Hamlet , ...

let's be honest, there's only 0.07%-6.90% （0.30% in your server) players are doing raid now, most people have already get bored of it or have no interest in this.
this type of content is not working for most players

The issue with raid content currently is that it is way too much exclusive, in the way that you do need 7 other people (neither less nor more, if you only have 6 friends you're screwed, and if you have more than 7 some will be unhappy). If you'd increase the amount of players in FFXIV's raids (and especially by implementing some sort of flexible party size), you ll see way more people partaking in them.

I'm pretty sure there are a lot of players currently who don't raid because all their friends are raiding in "statics" but can't join because of the restricted party size or because they aren't looking for their preferred jobs.

[odintius]

The only thing I missed was the graphics were better Imo, the gear when it had set bonus on them and the materia with it extra effects but not the way you had to get the materia. I generally don't raid because I fine the gear pretty underwhelming and don't want to waste other peoples time in gear I could care less about anyway. None of that gear is required for any of the content outside of it anyways just to shave off a few minutes on your instance timer.

But 1.0 had many issues and I'm not looking back all I hoping for is if their doing solo limited job thing is add more to the open world itself beside what we have currently. /Shrugs