This video tells you why some people thought FFXIV 1.2. is a better MMO than 2.0

[dinnertime]

Not even half, from what I understand. I thought he came in during the tail end of the original game, around the time that FFXIV was a done deal. In fact, wasn't it under him that the Dalamud storyline came into fruition before servers went offline?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's responsible for Dalamud and honestly killing an MMO in that fashion was genius. Also there was some foreshadowing of Dalamud in the game's skybox at each update so he might've been involved in the game earlier than we knew while. Anyway it doesn't really matter, it was just some nitpick from me lol

[Vidu]

Ok its my opinion, I can express it any way I want and I still play this game every day. I understand 1.0 isnt coming back since that type of game style is basically dead in this new era of gaming. If you are "tired" of hearing about 1.0 topics then why read and post? Move on from the thread.

For once, I'm actually tired of this OP specifically, who pops up with a fresh thread of this kind every other week (specially in regards to the "I cant find people to play with and its Yoshi-Ps fault for not providing anyone with so much downtime that you have no choice but talk to each other or have a copy of War and Peace ready")

Secondly I wasnt trying to challenge your opinion that 1.0/1.23 was a game that you deem good and enjoyed - I merely tried to explain that its not "hate" towards 1.0, as you claimed, but where the negative responses are actually coming from.

Third, you can obviously express that opinion - but be prepared to have it challenged, specially if it includes a blatant brushing off of other peoples equally valid opinions. You started your first post off with "Anyone who says something against 1.0 is just hating on it. I would have taken no "offense" (...its early and I cant think of a better word right now) with your initial post if you'd simply stated that you liked 1.0 - thats a valid opinion. Saying that people are just hating on it, without considering that they might have thought their opinions a lot more through than just "Oooh, the good old days!" was the problem here.

[bass9020]

For once, I'm actually tired of this OP specifically, who pops up with a fresh thread of this kind every other week (specially in regards to the "I cant find people to play with and its Yoshi-Ps fault for not providing anyone with so much downtime that you have no choice but talk to each other or have a copy of War and Peace ready")

Secondly I wasnt trying to challenge your opinion that 1.0/1.23 was a game that you deem good and enjoyed - I merely tried to explain that its not "hate" towards 1.0, as you claimed, but where the negative responses are actually coming from.

Third, you can obviously express that opinion - but be prepared to have it challenged, specially if it includes a blatant brushing off of other peoples equally valid opinions. You started your first post off with "Anyone who says something against 1.0 is just hating on it. I would have taken no "offense" (...its early and I cant think of a better word right now) with your initial post if you'd simply stated that you liked 1.0 - thats a valid opinion. Saying that people are just hating on it, without considering that they might have thought their opinions a lot more through than just "Oooh, the good old days!" was the problem here.

My first statement was more a joke since usually most topics brought up with 1.0 involve a lot of heat. I know it was a major flop and im beyond happy we were able to rise from the depths and be heading into a third expansion now. Its just a little disheartening that we lost some of the charm that was in 1.0 which is mostly my issue. I can see the OP has a very different opinion. Im sorry if I came off with an attitude or challenging, it was not my intent.

[Whanext]

1.x failed for a reason. I do not understand why people keep asking for 1.x to be back. Do you just want it back to make it fail again and waste all development resources?

[Vidu]

My first statement was more a joke since usually most topics brought up with 1.0 involve a lot of heat. I know it was a major flop and im beyond happy we were able to rise from the depths and be heading into a third expansion now. Its just a little disheartening that we lost some of the charm that was in 1.0 which is mostly my issue. I can see the OP has a very different opinion. Im sorry if I came off with an attitude or challenging, it was not my intent.

You see, its not even that I dont understand that people have fond memories of 1.0 - even though I cant relate to it, because I've never played it. And as I mentioned before, I wouldnt take "offense" (...still havent found a better word) in a "Share your great memories of 1.0!"-thread - I'm sure many people have them and I also wont deny that 1.0 probably had some good ideas!
But I have a slight "issue" with unfair representation and opinions presented as facts when people make arguments for 1.0 (...and with people brushing everyone who might disagree with their opinion of as "hater" - I understand now that that wasnt your intent, but if you're worried a discussion about something you care about might get heated, starting it off like that only fuels the flames...)

Personally, I just cant believe that the argument "1.0 was so much better than what we have now!" is true or would actually hold water, because people have a very selective memory - you might have great memories of 1.0, because you choose to forget about all the bad and boring stuff.
And people like the OP also decide to overlook all the good stuff in the game that FFXIV is now, because they dont want to see it - my favorite "pet peeve" here is the claim that you cant make friends or find a nice community/FC within the game anymore. A claim that has been repeated over and over again by the OP and thats just not true - at least not in my experience and in the experience of a lot of other people, it seems...

And lastly, while I can understand the nostalgia and the... wistfulness in regards to 1.0 I often wish that it would be paired with a bit more "reflection" in regards to feedback-threads ("This idea was cool, maybe you can work of that?" instead of asking for an excat replica - quite frankly, I believe that people remember the coolness of the idea more than the actual fun of the content).
I care about this game and I love it - and I find myself missing the good old 2.0 days at times aswell, when everything was new and exciting to me (so maybe I can at least relate a little bit, after all)! But because I love this game, I find it a bit dishearting when people are "constantly" (this in regards to the OP, check their post-history, its mostly 1.0-praise and 2.0-bashing) complaining about it. If they cant enjoy it (anymore) - fine, thats fair. But despite returning to 1.0 simply wont happen for "buisness"-reasons, personally I'd also dont want to see this happen. I like the general game the way it is - more innovation would be nice and things arent perfect, but I wouldnt want it to change its core and certainly not to change its core back to 1.0.

...and frankly I'm also often wondering if the "charm" you're talking about was really due to 1.0 being a good game - or if thats more related to circumstances like it being the first MMO for some people, the first time seeing/doing certain things or maybe even the memory of a different time in their lifes that they associated with the game.
I have fond memories of games that I played when I was 12 or so - and if I look back at them now they're still good or even great games, but I also managed to forget everything that was bad about them and have not only been holding on to stories and gameplay-memories, but also to sitting on my bed in the afternoon, playing Pokemon all day instead of having to go to work and uni.

(..and this is way more than I wanted to say and its not all directed towards you, bass, some are just thoughts that popped into my head along the way, trying to explain why I dont feel the cries to having 1.0 back are warranted - even though the fond memories you have totally are. I'm not trying to take those away from you and I dont want to dismiss them either - but at the same time I'd ask everyone: Dont dismiss this game either, just because it isnt 1.0 - and if you truely cant find things you enjoy within it, find a game in which you can. Dont try to change a game thats - more or less - fun for a lot of people to suit what you might believe you want, specially not when your memory might very well be clouded by nostalgia)

[Luluna]

I loved Version 1 maybe because I was here on the first day it was switched on. I remember it not being perfect there was a lot of crashes doing leves bugs etc.

I remember the battle fanfare going off outside Limsa on everyone was quite funny....or the time all the retainers in the market wards turned into male Hyurs. I remember loaning somebody some arrows when they went to beta testing they said they would never forget me! Just a note if its you I would like some gil for them :P jk. The joy of running for the ferry and going on them was nice those kind of things are missed by me. The community killing a tree in Gridania for hours on end for fun.

There where NMs added that where roaming. I feel the magic has gone the game is so easy with teleports. The music was nicer and it was going in a great direction. The sad thing is when people go ham over people having nice memories from it. I know its not coming back but they seriously need to do some real world stuff and blu mage is a step in good direction. My first job was lancer and I killed millions of Coblyns and skeles in old cassiopea (spelling) hollow. I also remember doing battle regiment with a random player we must have looked hilarious. I run everwhere still and I have to remember I have mounts! It is because I used to run everywhere. I would love boat rides again...

[Bourne_Endeavor]

These rose-tinted glasses neglect the fact despite all the improvements made in 1.23, and the game being entirely free to play. They still couldn't entice a total popular larger than Balmung currently has by itself. You can love the later stages of 1.x all you want, the overwhelmingly majority of people didn't. Now that doesn't mean they couldn't borrow some ideas like Hamlet Defense. Although, to be fair, I've heard it was horribly imbalanced and not nearly as fondly remembered as some people make it out to be. Regardless, you can call 2.x onward empty, but 1.23 was actually empty.

This also doesn't factor in FFXIV has seen a steady increase of players since its relaunch throughout every single expansion. Yes, Stormblood has seen more of a drop off if we take Lucky Bancho's census at complete face value, but that due to them reusing a soon-to-be six year formula with little deviation. Had they kept ideas from 1.23, they too would be tired and stale by now. Much as we complain about tomestones nowadays, people were elated with their initial implementation. It took until the end of Heavensward for people to start feeling that system needed a fresh coat of paint.

[Xlantaa]

1.0 (or even 1.23) were utterly unplayable. This is just another "FFXIV now is shit" post. Crafting SUCKS in 1.0. "FATEs" sucks in 1.0. ¿Epic bosses? Yes, stay in front of the boss with a slowmotion animations, while you struggle to build TP in other to do anything more than autoattack. Or stay back as caster/healer, just standing up in a spot, (even with the weapon settled) casting spells with bored animations.

[ShanXiv]

1.x tried to make interesting things in a MMO and failed ; 2.x doesn't even try.

I am sorry I don‘t agree,
the Job quests, Relic quests, Hamlet defense, Skirmish, dungeons, primals, oh and Hildibrand , and the new combat system etc, almost all contents that SE add lately in 1.2x were success,

SE did tried some new stuff in 2.0: PVP, Diadem, Eureka, Airship exploration, Lord of Verminion, etc, most of them had failed,
& there are many useless contents in 2.0, Stone Sky Sea for example， I don't even know why it exists there,
and the FATEs in SB, no one is doing them,
and the Relic quests in 3.0 4.0, & the same old formular etc, people just hate them LOL...

XIV2.0 had sold out 14M copies, but only 500k players stay subbed,
before XIV 1.2 server shut down, all servers are full of people,(that's why the sever crashed a lot during the events)
and XIV1.0 was not my first MMO , I played UO, WOW ,EQ, EQ2, I know what I am talking about
so this is not rose-tinted glasses or nostalgia or what , I am just telling the fact

[Penthea]

there are many useless contents in 2.0 (Stone Sky Sea for example， I don't even know why it exists there.),

Well then, somebody asked in this thread or another one of your threads if you do raid savage and now we have the answer.

Stone Sea Sky exists to test people's raw dps ouput on dummies that represent a boss's healthpool. If you can kill the dummy within the timer then that means you are able to do the required dps to kill the actual boss. The faster you can kill it, the better your dps is. This of course isn't a replacement for actually experiencing the fight, but it's a way for players to test their dps without needing to use something like ACT, without needing to queue for group content, and without risking someone else hitting their dummy and altering the results if they're elsewhere in the game. It's also handy if you want to repeatedly test out different openers/materia/etc to see which yields better results.

Stone Sea Sky may be useless -for you-, but that doesn't make it useless for everyone. I know people who use ACT and still try out their dps on the latest dummies. They can be quite useful.