Blue Mage: Are you kidding me!?

[jon041065]

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I agreed with a lot of what you said about the party interaction stuff but really disagree with it being SE's place to solve if it's not a ToS violation. People should just grow up and deal or move on and queue again if they can't.

On the diversity in doing content, I would say that SE is doing the opposite with these limitations. Shouldn't it be up to us if we want to run dungeons or go farm open world mobs? Diversity in choices are better.

Now onto the rest of your post. There is a middle ground that most on my side are asking SE to pursue. We don't want the people that are excited to lose this content or to even have it delays. We want SE to work on a full version of the job and put it in the game WHEN it's ready. So yes I want "XIV blu" like how we have "XIV smn". That's not a bad thing and it's an even better thing if we can get that AND the open world/side content. My side would just have to wait.

For the whole "paying for dlc" bit in the previous couple of posts, everyone that bought Stormblood has paid for it. I'm going to assume that what you meant in "but BLU isn't a part of the DLC" is that it's not part of Shadowbringers. It's not part of that expac but is is part of the current expac. So everyone that bought Stormblood did pay for blue mage.

[Kabooa]

Yup, you pay for the DLC, but BLU isn't a part of the DLC.

Let me know how much of that content you get to play once that sub stops.

[Mithia]

I agreed with a lot of what you said about the party interaction stuff but really disagree with it being SE's place to solve if it's not a ToS violation. People should just grow up and deal and move on and queue again if they can't.

On the diversity in doing content, I would say that SE is doing the opposite with these limitations. Shouldn't it be up to us if we want to run dungeons or go farm open world mobs? Diversity in choices are better.

I agree with you that people should grow up and deal with it.
However it is in ToS, vague as it may be.

3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

So in order not to interfere with the main reason why people go into DF and for it not to become a big ongoing discussion of who is in the right, they remove the ability from using DF for BLU. That includes the potential kicking of BLU or any who dare to screw up their attempt at gaining an ability from a mob.
They allow you however to go with a PF group so you can agree beforehand on what the objective off the run will be.

Now onto the rest of your post. There is a middle ground that most on my side are asking SE to pursue. We don't want the people that are excited to lose this content or to even have it delays. We want SE to work on a full version of the job and put it in the game WHEN it's ready. So yes I want "XIV blu" like how we have "XIV smn". That's not a bad thing and it's an even better thing if we can get that AND the open world/side content. My side would just have to wait.

But again, you are asking them to throw away the design that people have requested from SE for classes such as SMN, just to get the design you desire. Its not about the open world content, its about the skills themselves.

For the whole "paying for dlc" bit in the previous couple of posts, everyone that bought Stormblood has paid for it. You're right that blue mage isn't part of Shadowbringers but you're wrong to say we haven't already paid for blue mage.

Well, you buy access to the game, this is also in the ToS. You do not own anything of the content that is in game. You buy access to it. Never was it also once mentioned at the start of SB that it would be part of it, this is just content that they thought might be a nice addition to the game. So they gave it to us.

[Mithia]

Let me know how much of that content you get to play once that sub stops.

You can't. Because you will lose access to the servers. Duh.

[Kabooa]

You can't. Because you will lose access to the servers. Duh.

So it's not free then? Because you actually do have access to FF14 without a sub. You -have access to the servers-.

But not the content.

[Mithia]

So it's not free then? Because you actually do have access to FF14 without a sub. You -have access to the servers-.

But not the content.

I'm sorry what?

All content is owned by SE. You pay to access the content. Since when... can you play FFXIV without a sub?

[jon041065]

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That part of the ToS sounds more like harassing instead of "this person didn't do what I wanted to do in the dungeon". It's pretty vague like you said but I don't think it would apply to this issue unless it was something like the tank/person with the most hate kiting around the mob the blu is trying to learn a spell from so that they are unable to even have a chance at learning the spell.

Did I ask them to throw away requests? I'm all for there being other forms of content. Give every job something. Let smn's actually play up the traditional summoner fantasy. Go look at the BST thread in this part of the forums and you will see I gave my idea for side content for that job if it's added. This goes back to my point that we SHOULD be asking for all of these kinds of things and we SHOULD be patient if the devs have to slow down the patch cycle or the content just takes longer to roll out.

I'll give you the point on the last one but I think it's really coming down to wording. I don't think I'm wrong because our money spent on expacs and subs is being used to make this content. So I'd say neither of us are wrong but you take the point with blu never being marketed as part of SB before we bought it.

[Shiroe]

First and foremost Blue Mage is not the disaster most people seem to fear it is.

It is most importantly a genius marketing decision, and I am prepared to defend this. Yes, blue mage has been one of the most highly requested jobs in this game. It had to be released. One of the more highly requested features of this game has been more content that can be solo’ed as well as content that is different so people aren’t relegated to either high end raiding or relic grinds.

In return square gives us... blue mage. A job starting at level one with a level cap of 50, and a grind that can mostly be done alone for enemy skills, with a party for others. And the Masked Carnivale as a way to showcase and learn and enjoy. Yes, it is sad that we can’t use blue mage how we would like as a fully implemented and balanced job for end game content. The lvl 5 death argument is a weak one at best, but it also has validity. Lvl 5 death is not the only skill that could easily break an end game raid or dungeon or trial, mighty guard itself is a dangerous skill to have in that kind of content.

As is white wind, or any number of skills, bad breath is another good example. They have made the promise to continue to develop content for the blue mage, and given that with the trust system, the world visit system, and blue mage they seem to be focused on making this game a bit more solo player friendly this sort of concept makes sense as a way to appeal to a much broader audience and grow the game in a really special way. It’s a smart decision to use such an iconic job for this content because those ff fans who have not started 14 but love blue mage can be coaxed into this game because it is now offering a traditional blue mage in its own content. Making it a 2.0 job is also smart because it allows people to try the content fall in love with the game and branch out to the other features.

^this
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Blue Mage will play like a Rdm in solo content, with a similar feeling as the "logos" system from Pyros / Eureka

"logos": as in unlocking may moves from multiple classes (dps, healer, tanks) thru battles / enemies, ...than deciding which of those are best for the situation atm

[jon041065]

^this
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Blue Mage will play like a Rdm in solo content, with a similar feeling as the "logos" system from Pyros / Eureka

"logos": as in unlocking may moves from multiple classes (dps, healer, tanks) thru battles / enemies, ...than deciding which of those are best for the situation atm

We aren't arguing with how it plays just the announced restrictions.

[Mithia]

That part of the ToS sounds more like harassing instead of "this person didn't do what I wanted to do in the dungeon". It's pretty vague like you said but I don't think it would apply to this issue unless it was something like the tank/person with the most hate kiting around the mob the blu is trying to learn a spell from so that they are unable to even have a chance at learning the spell.

Did I ask them to throw away requests? I'm all for there being other forms of content. Give every job something. Let smn's actually play up the traditional summoner fantasy. Go look at the BST thread in this part of the forums and you will see I gave my idea for side content for that job if it's added. This goes back to my point that we SHOULD be asking for all of these kinds of things and we SHOULD be patient if the devs have to slow down the patch cycle or the content just takes longer to roll out.

Sorry for the late reply, I was a bit occupied.

The problem is that things escalate rapidly, there are the good and the bad with everything however. But the example you gave is exactly a prime example of what salt can do with a person. If you have visited Pyros recently, it is a hobby of people who didn't get a bunny to kill the bunnies of people who did get one.

Since from what I understood from the panel in the Q&A, it seems that only one BLU can learn said spell. If he has learned it it can't be learned anymore from the same mob. This may of course be me misunderstanding what was said or if something got lost in translation. But it was suggested that people would make a PF to learn the ability from a trial like Shiva, and then it would be like people would go on a different job to help the BLU and then switch around so everyone would be able to get the spell.

So if its only one BLU, imagen the salt possibilities.

And ofcourse we are giving them the funds to pay for the development of the content, but its not like we are buying the content either. I know its a bit weird, but in truth you just upgrade your license every time an expansion hits to access more content and then you extend it with a subscription. In the long run this point is kind of moot to discuss any further.