SE, don't invite that journalist to Fanfest... ever.

[xbahax92]

I think that's overanalyzing it. It's just a journalist that aims every gamer (or anyone that reads rock paper shotgun, not sure who that is) and got paid for that article, and decided to just... wrap the whole FFXIV thing because the longer the article, the more he gets paid for it.

He still had a choice to stay neutral and distanced to all topics. He chose not to be and insulted likely everyone who is enjoying this game. It takes some guts to go to the director and producer to ask him about how players are erp'ing in a game. Its like the same going to your boss and ask him if his employees pay for "fun". Its everyones own business, and definetly not his. It was disrespectful against everyone who was sitting in that hall, yoshida and his team.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

He still had a choice to stay neutral and distanced to all topics. He chose not to be and insulted likely everyone who is enjoying this game. It takes some guts to go to the director and producer to ask him about how players are erp'ing in a game. Its like the same going to your boss and ask him if his employees pay for "fun". Its everyones own business, and definetly not his. It was disrespectful against everyone who was sitting in that hall, yoshida and his team.

I fully agree to that. My point isn't "that guy is a good guy". It's just "That's what journalism is nowadays, I expected nothing more, so I am not disappointed."

[Bellsong]

I fully agree to that. My point isn't "that guy is a good guy". It's just "That's what journalism is nowadays, I expected nothing more, so I am not disappointed."

I always found apathetic stances like this to be really pointless to bring to a discussion. Also from what I'm seeing no one is blaming SE for this, it's not odd for companies to pay for coverage, but the company could have sent someone with at least a hint of knowledge about the game.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

I always found apathetic stances like this to be really pointless to bring to a discussion.

I always found people that do an uproar for nothing to be really pointless to be in a discussion. Different point of view, I guess.

That's an article like there are dozens everyday that says nothing more than what most people already think. Get over it, that kind of attitude will not help anyone.

[SaitoHikari]

I always found people that do an uproar for nothing to be really pointless to be in a discussion. Different point of view, I guess.

That's an article like there are dozens everyday that says nothing more than what most people already think. Get over it, that kind of attitude will not help anyone.

Normally I'd agree with you.

Except you are literally coming in here with a thiny-veiled 'but my moral high ground!' stanning for a guy who used a free trip to a fan event to...

1) Not do any research beforehand (if he was actually being honest about not knowing anything, which is still pretty damn bad considering what his job is)
2) Wasted everyone's time by asking the highest level SE staff involved with the game a public question that could have only resulted in two kinds of answers, one very clickbaity and one generic non-answer for very obvious reasons
3) Is on record to have harassed multiple attendees at the event and disparage the efforts they put into their creative cosplays
4) Wrote an asshole article about the fanbase after the fact, and little to nothing about anything that was announced pertaining to the actual game

I mean, nothing about this is even for legitimate journalistic works like criticizing how the company handles its finances or time management, or DLC practices, or anything. The guy made a conscious decision to screw with a fan gathering involving high level SE staff in full view of many other journalists in attendance as well (who probably had actual questions to ask and had to listen to this douchebag trying to bait the staff into saying something clickbaity). You literally have to go out of your way to screw this up.

Maybe if the asshole isn't interested in the actual game itself, maybe it stands to reason that he and the rest of the site should be completely blacklisted from anything SE-related. I mean, they probably wouldn't miss not being able to cover any future SE products or being able to review something like KH3 in a normally starved month like February at the same pace as actual legitimate websites, if multiple people in the staff decided they can afford to be this disrespectful towards a fan gathering of all things. (Again, consider that someone made the decision to send this ONE person, and someone else must have read over their colleague's article and decided this was a perfectly okay thing to publish instead of telling off this colleague for being a dumbass.)

SE doesn't have to suffer fools, and neither do we.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

Normally I'd agree with you.

Except you are literally coming in here with a thiny-veiled 'but my moral high ground!' stanning for a guy who used a free trip to a fan event to...

1) Not do any research beforehand (if he was actually being honest about not knowing anything, which is still pretty damn bad considering what his job is)
2) Wasted everyone's time by asking the highest level SE staff involved with the game a public question that could have only resulted in two kinds of answers, one very clickbaity and one generic non-answer for very obvious reasons
3) Is on record to have harassed multiple attendees at the event and disparage the efforts they put into their creative cosplays
4) Wrote an asshole article about the fanbase after the fact, and little to nothing about anything that was announced pertaining to the actual game

I mean, nothing about this is even for legitimate journalistic works like criticizing how the company handles its finances or time management, or DLC practices, or anything. The guy made a conscious decision to screw with a fan gathering involving high level SE staff in full view of many other journalists in attendance as well (who probably had actual questions to ask and had to listen to this douchebag trying to bait the staff into saying something clickbaity). You literally have to go out of your way to screw this up.

Maybe if the asshole isn't interested in the actual game itself, maybe it stands to reason that he and the rest of the site should be completely blacklisted from anything SE-related. I mean, they probably wouldn't miss not being able to cover any future SE products or being able to review something like KH3 in a normally starved month like February at the same pace as actual legitimate websites, if multiple people in the staff decided they can afford to be this disrespectful towards a fan gathering of all things. (Again, consider that someone made the decision to send this ONE person, and someone else must have read over their colleague's article and decided this was a perfectly okay thing to publish instead of telling off this colleague for being a dumbass.)

SE doesn't have to suffer fools, and neither do we.

That's true. I never said anything that contradicted that. My one and only point is "that was unavoidable, that's a shame, I do hope SE won't invite them anymore, but I think we all have more interesting things to do than pat ourselves on the back and go "he really was a meanie"."

Which is basically what I was saying for a dozen messages, now, but maybe it wasn't clear...

[Bellsong]

That's true. I never said anything that contradicted that. My one and only point is "that was unavoidable, that's a shame, I do hope SE won't invite them anymore, but I think we all have more interesting things to do than pat ourselves on the back and go "he really was a meanie"."

Which is basically what I was saying for a dozen messages, now, but maybe it wasn't clear...

No, you're being clear but people are explaining to you why people should make a fuss or "uproar" about this to make it clear to SE to not deal with that company again, but you're just replying with "It happens all the time, just move on!".

Your level of apathy is part of the reason why "It happens all the time.".

[Hycinthus]

Normally I'd agree with you.

Except you are literally coming in here with a thiny-veiled 'but my moral high ground!' stanning for a guy who used a free trip to a fan event to...

1) Not do any research beforehand (if he was actually being honest about not knowing anything, which is still pretty damn bad considering what his job is)
2) Wasted everyone's time by asking the highest level SE staff involved with the game a public question that could have only resulted in two kinds of answers, one very clickbaity and one generic non-answer for very obvious reasons
3) Is on record to have harassed multiple attendees at the event and disparage the efforts they put into their creative cosplays
4) Wrote an asshole article about the fanbase after the fact, and little to nothing about anything that was announced pertaining to the actual game

I mean, nothing about this is even for legitimate journalistic works like criticizing how the company handles its finances or time management, or DLC practices, or anything. The guy made a conscious decision to screw with a fan gathering involving high level SE staff in full view of many other journalists in attendance as well (who probably had actual questions to ask and had to listen to this douchebag trying to bait the staff into saying something clickbaity). You literally have to go out of your way to screw this up.

Maybe if the asshole isn't interested in the actual game itself, maybe it stands to reason that he and the rest of the site should be completely blacklisted from anything SE-related. I mean, they probably wouldn't miss not being able to cover any future SE products or being able to review something like KH3 in a normally starved month like February at the same pace as actual legitimate websites, if multiple people in the staff decided they can afford to be this disrespectful towards a fan gathering of all things. (Again, consider that someone made the decision to send this ONE person, and someone else must have read over their colleague's article and decided this was a perfectly okay thing to publish instead of telling off this colleague for being a dumbass.)

SE doesn't have to suffer fools, and neither do we.

Apologies if I'm a bit naive to Fanfest, (and not trying to be sarcastic), but perhaps the journalist is really trying to approach this from a new perspective, and there's really no requirement to do research beforehand. Sometimes it's good not to have too much background before experiencing new things so you can see it unfiltered.

Maybe that's the premise of what the editor in chief of his publication sent him in for: go in with a fresh and blank slate, and just report from a laymen's perspective. Who knows right?

Again, his conclusion is not that bad: basically it's not for him, but it's cool.

[EusisLandale]

Apologies if I'm a bit naive to Fanfest, (and not trying to be sarcastic), but perhaps the journalist is really trying to approach this from a new perspective, and there's really no requirement to do research beforehand. Sometimes it's good not to have too much background before experiencing new things so you can see it unfiltered.

I'm not so sure your problem is being naive about Fanfest so much as it is being so about gaming journalists.
They have long since passed the point where one should assume incompetence over malice, though the former is still very much so there in many cases. No, they specifically aim to piss people off, to insult them, to make things seem as awful or bizarre as they can. Well thought out informative stuff just doesn't get enough clicks, they need rage, they need mockery, and they need you to bail on the article and go click on another one as fast as possible. The sudden shift around from mockery to "yeah it's pretty cool just not for me" is a thinly veiled attempt to beg SE to not ban them for behaving like that.