Blue Mage might actually be a good thing.

[jon041065]

Of course I have had that thought. I'm human. I even had the thought right when I heard about this limited job, but I didn't come to the forums and blow up about it, I didn't go rage on reddit. I took a step back and decided to collect my thoughts and let reason prevail. That's when I realized the few facts.


I am not saying that the carnival or the implementation that is going forward will change any minds. I have never suggested that. What I have stated and tried to get people to do is hold the criticism and feedback for just a bit (primarily when it comes to belittling the content or condemning it outright, or just passing judgement on it) so that we can take the time to EXPERIENCE it. That's been my whole point all along. Just wait and try it first. I don't expect everyone to like it. I'm not sure even a majority will like it. I don't know that I will like it, but at least give it a shot. THEN come back and make a reasoned argument for a full implementation based on what you have experienced first hand. It holds a lot more weight and power that way. What if in reacting the way your side has the dev team now has an excuse not to ever change BLU because they can make the argument "Well they condemned it before they even tried it and passed judgement on it so all these complaints are already tainted?" not saying they would do this but what if they did? You can't really argue that point. Because it is factual and that is human nature. There are a thousand examples of it throughout our history.

By all means feel it is a bad design choice, approach with apprehension, don't get your hopes up and be skeptical, but don't be close minded either. Give it a chance.

My other point is that we the community have been asking this dev team for a long time to take some chances, and do something original, do something we don't expect, get creative... this is an attempt at them doing exactly that and we are running around screaming like they just set our scalps on fire. We don't know what the future is for this limited job system or what the intent was behind it. Realistically with what they presented we know very little about this system at all. We know far more about the world visit system, the trust system, and the new game + system (which we know basically nothing about) than we do about the limited job system. It does us no good to judge something before we have all the facts. Any one with any common sense knows this is true.

So what I am asking for is patience, by all means approach with apprehension, have your reservations about the system and the job, but give it a bloody chance. Try it before you condemn it.

Okay, in what way do you think those that feel like I do will have our minds change? We want to be able to main blu in ALL content but keep hearing "you should get experience with it first before complaining". Okay I'm all ears. In what ways you do you think those of us that want to do current content on our blu with friends could potentially be swayed?

[Darkpaw]

Okay, in what way do you think those that feel like I do will have our minds change? We want to be able to main blu in ALL content but keep hearing "you should get experience with it first before complaining". Okay I'm all ears. In what ways you do you think those of us that want to do current content on our blu with friends could potentially be swayed?

As I said. In plain English. I don't expect any body to actually have their mind changed. What I suggested was common sense. Wait and try it before saying you don't like it. You all heard this as kids I'm sure. I know I did. My parents would cook something new. "Try it before you say you don't like it! You don't know whether you like it until you try it!" Every child has heard that at some point in their lives. It's the same bloody principal here. It's woefully ignorant to sit there and condemn and prejudge anything when you have no experience with it and barely any information on it. "Well I hear all of this group of people all hate puppies. So I hate this group of people..".... "I think all corporations are evil and want to take advantage of me. So never go buy anything, don't work for them, live like a hermit out in the wilderness away from society."

Apply what you are doing to any other situation in life. in reality, and see how ridiculous this boils down to, and once again though you as well as many others have a hard time grasping this concept. You do not know that BLU will never be allowed in current content you just know that at implementation it won't be which. Given that it's a brand new system and a brand new job who progresses much differently from the others it actually makes sense to hold it down to the 50 content before bringing it up for observation and adjustments before bringing it up. Unless you can see the future and know when they bring blue mage up and by how much. We can't say we will never do current content.. because we do not have that information.

[Zolvolt]

The thing about BLU mage is that its very unlikely we would've seen it in the game at all if it was to be implemented just like the other jobs and the way I see it, this is going to be better than nothing and probably will be enjoyable as it is. I also have hope for the future. I hope that one day we can see BLU implemented in a way that lets it play with the other jobs. We already know the level cap will eventually increase and the thing about MMO's is that there are changes brought to the game consistently. So even though BLU mage is not implemented in a way that allows it to play max level content currently, theres nothing say it never will be able to. This is new. This is experimental. It's a very exciting time to see what will happen.

If you want the dev's to actually make changes to BLU then you guys need to do the following:
play BLU to max level. Learn it extensively. Learn tons of abilities. Play the blu solo content. and after doing all of that leave forum feedback for the devs. Tell them what you like. Tell them what you don't like. And respectfully tell them what you'd like them to change.

[jon041065]

As I said. In plain English. I don't expect any body to actually have their mind changed. What I suggested was common sense. Wait and try it before saying you don't like it. You all heard this as kids I'm sure. I know I did. My parents would cook something new. "Try it before you say you don't like it! You don't know whether you like it until you try it!" Every child has heard that at some point in their lives. It's the same bloody principal here. It's woefully ignorant to sit there and condemn and prejudge anything when you have no experience with it and barely any information on it. "Well I hear all of this group of people all hate puppies. So I hate this group of people..".... "I think all corporations are evil and want to take advantage of me. So never go buy anything, don't work for them, live like a hermit out in the wilderness away from society."

Apply what you are doing to any other situation in life. in reality, and see how ridiculous this boils down to, and once again though you as well as many others have a hard time grasping this concept. You do not know that BLU will never be allowed in current content you just know that at implementation it won't be which. Given that it's a brand new system and a brand new job who progresses much differently from the others it actually makes sense to hold it down to the 50 content before bringing it up for observation and adjustments before bringing it up. Unless you can see the future and know when they bring blue mage up and by how much. We can't say we will never do current content.. because we do not have that information.

Again people that are making this argument can't give us an example of how they might address being unable to play blu with friends in current content outside of "it might later on" and "this could be a beta phase" to which we agreed that the backlash would go away if they were to tell us that. The content for blu could be amazing, but if it's always going to have these limitations, then no amount of amazing solo content will make things right for people on my side.

[Darkpaw]

Again people that are making this argument can't give us an example of how they might address being unable to play blu with friends in current content outside of "it might later on" and "this could be a beta phase" to which we agreed that the backlash would go away if they were to tell us that. The content for blu could be amazing, but if it's always going to have these limitations, then no amount of amazing solo content will make things right for people on my side.

And once again the opposition is trying to muddy the waters and put words in people’s mouths that they didn’t say or implement to try to strengthen their emotion based reaction. What I have argued for and continue to do so trying to find new and simpler ways to put the phrase WE DONT KNOW. So everyone doesn’t just condemn something before we have any actual constructive feedback to give the dev team on it.
Is this really that hard of a concept. A thousand posts have been made on how it could work. But what do all those posts lack? Fact on how it works now and lack of information of what the future entails for blue mage.

We rejected the idea of fear influencing our decisions. Decided to embrace it long enough to get experience on it before we give feedback and we are the enemy? So logic and reason and common sense mean nothing? Let’s just twist each other’s words around to suit our own purposes. because that’s what rational people do who are thinking logically.

[Elnidfse]

Honestly, at this point, my main concern is about what kind of rewards are due to the whole BLU experience. Triple Triad, for example, is a nice minigame, but what incentive there is to do that besides weekly GP challenges?

Fun for one. TT rules in this game need some tweaking so 4 star cards aren't worthless which is another issue.
But what's the point of that you ask? What's the point of chocobo racing? Why do anything outside of weekly lockouts at end game and, depending on how much you like monotony, throwing yourself at Eureka? What's the point of aiming for the rare fish added every patch?
There is no point. If you disregard the concept of fun even something with potential financial gain as fishing can be overshadowed by other activities. The real question will be how good is the Masked Carnival. If Blue Mage has an end game that has longevity (which it MUST have because you WILL eventually collect every ability) than there is no problem. If not, then there's a problem.

Frankly if we were in a literal "it's either this or nothing" situation than I'd rather have this. I have no desire to converse on how they could have trimmed it to make it fit because that's not what happened. They had decisions, and they made one as opposed to sticking to what yoshi said 4 years ago and giving us nothing instead. So I'll take it. And if we're going to be really really honest. I had absolutely no expectations of something like mime (and especially calculator) every making it's way into this game. Maybe it can now.

[Darkpaw]

Fun for one. TT rules in this game need some tweaking so 4 star cards aren't worthless which is another issue.
But what's the point of that you ask? What's the point of chocobo racing? Why do anything outside of weekly lockouts at end game and, depending on how much you like monotony, throwing yourself at Eureka? What's the point of aiming for the rare fish added every patch?
There is no point. If you disregard the concept of fun even something with potential financial gain as fishing can be overshadowed by other activities. The real question will be how good is the Masked Carnival. If Blue Mage has an end game that has longevity (which it MUST have because you WILL eventually collect every ability) than there is no problem. If not, then there's a problem.

Frankly if we were in a literal "it's either this or nothing" situation than I'd rather have this. I have no desire to converse on how they could have trimmed it to make it fit because that's not what happened. They had decisions, and they made one as opposed to sticking to what yoshi said 4 years ago and giving us nothing instead. So I'll take it. And if we're going to be really really honest. I had absolutely no expectations of something like mime (and especially calculator) every making it's way into this game. Maybe it can now.

This I can agree whole heartedly with.

[FF16Necromancer]

I’m surprised that ......

Um .... Whatn? Who the heck.... I don't believe anyone believe this

[LeonardoRozsas]

That message was from 2 years ago... you didnt even had an account by that time

[Jim_Berry]

BLU has a lot of replay value to me. If BLU wasn't locked out of Duty Finder, BLU would have probably been my main job. I love how hybrid it is. When my survival rate at Lv60 BLU is 90% higher than me as a tank with a chocobo healer, I'm sold.