Let's not be too hard on SE about BLU and in general.

[Sylvina]

Whatever our thoughts about eureka, "limited jobs" etc.. I think Naoki Yoshida and the rest of the Square Enix team working on this game really do try and make us as happy as they can with it.

You can't please everyone at once with every piece of content though and that's why there exists parts some people dont like and some others do. Becuase of different wants for each player.

Some may be absolute masochists and demand more ultimate content or that everything be made harder, some may want a mix of challenge and easy so they can choose based on their mood, some dont like having 30+ buttons and some want MORE buttons.

SE is trying as hard as they can to make the most people happy and thats a delicate balancing act, so whatever we think about their decisions lets not be too rude.

[Deithwen]

Hello o/

I do agree that we should always be respectful towards the dev team and Yoshida.

However, I believe feedback should be provided and listened to.

Many times the players gave feedback that proved correct and justified. Remember Monk, Whm and Drk when 4.0 released ? It was bad, and the players base knew it. Many threads were made, many complaints were made too, even before release. The dev team didn't aknowledge this feedback at first, then realized the playerbase was right, and started to work on fixes. And don't get me started on Pagos...

What I mean is, yes the dev team is doing its best. But they need to listen to player base more, and maybe start to think about creating a PTR server. Some problems should have been avoided, because we had some really, really bad game design decisions, which one wouldn't expect from a subbription based MMO. And the latest to date are Blue Mage and the new DC in EU and NA, and both completly killed the hype for 5.0.

[BlitzAceRush]

Listening doesn't always mean something needs to be done or done exactly as it's been asked, yes feedback is important and listening to it is also important but there's a difference between listening and not acting on and ignoring.

There are a bunch of people who think savage is a waste of time and shouldn't be made, should SE listen to them and remove it? Or those who think PvP is a waste of resources and should just be scrapped or that Eureka was beyond saving and should just be removed.
Using Eureka as an example they didn't just scrap Eureka despite the "outcry" they made adjustments in response to peoples complaints Pagos missed the mark and they tried too hard focusing on complaints that the train made it boring but with Pryos they listened and dialled a lot back, moved the dragons to one side, increased the xp gains e.c.t.

Just because they don't do what we may want doesn't mean they ignore us, not every idea we have is great, and we're also not one voice, we're many voices asking for often conflicting things, some people hate what BLU will be, some like it, others are indifferent, some want small changes, some want massive, colossal overhauling changes, who exactly do they listen to?

We also need to think about what feedback we're asking for, BLU and the data centres are likely too far along to be totally scrapped/redone so yelling at them to do so is not them ignoring you, simply being unable to do that, instead we need to focus on asking for things more likely to be possible/considered.

We also need to take into consideration when providing feedback that we simply don't know enough, we don't know where they intend to take BLU, will it ever be at cap? Are any of it's current limits planned to be relaxed?
Are they planning any kind of cross data centre interaction in the future? We just don't know and we need to take into account as well when we ask for things.

[Rymm]

What I mean is, yes the dev team is doing its best. But they need to listen to player base more, and maybe start to think about creating a PTR server. Some problems should have been avoided, because we had some really, really bad game design decisions, which one wouldn't expect from a subbription based MMO. And the latest to date are Blue Mage and the new DC in EU and NA, and both completly killed the hype for 5.0.

You are missing "for me." at the end of this post. Because without it, your wording indicates that the 5.0 hype is dead for everyone, which it certainly is not.

I couldn't be more excited for 5.0 or 4.5 for that matter. The idea of BLU in FF14 never meant that much to me, it would just be another job for me to test out and level up (I'm a completionist in that sense) but it would have been the same as any other job they introduced. The way they are implementing it now, with the new idea of "limited" jobs, has me much more intrigued than a normal job would have. I can't say if I'll end up liking it or not as I haven't tried it yet, but I am eager to give a whirl.

I get that others have differing opinions and that's cool, but it doesn't mean that either of us is right or wrong. Which I guess is the point- SE can't do both so they are going to always end up angering one side or other. Doing something you don't like doesn't automatically mean they are ignoring you. It just means they opted to go a different direction.

(PTR server is something I would totally get behind though.)

[redcurrant18]

Blue mages being able to learn their magic from monsters > Blue mages learning their abilities from just leveling
Beastmasters able to charm monsters as pets > Beastmasters reduced to summoning mini monsters pets like summoner

I'd rather play these as limited jobs that still have their core identity than if they had lost them. Don't let them nerf Blue Mage like they did to summoner to get it to "fit in".

[NessaWyvern]

The thing is, it's locked at lvl 50. Why play BLU in the lvl 50 overworld when your lvl 70 characters can kill everything in one or two hits. Why go lvl 50 BLU in PF duties when most people unsync them in. BLU may be fun to play and collect abilities on, but once you have, it's almost useless. That's my gripe with it.

[Kusanagi7]

your preaching to the choir people will moan no matter what sqeenix do.

[Rufalus]

The thing is, it's locked at lvl 50. Why play BLU in the lvl 50 overworld when your lvl 70 characters can kill everything in one or two hits. Why go lvl 50 BLU in PF duties when most people unsync them in. BLU may be fun to play and collect abilities on, but once you have, it's almost useless. That's my gripe with it.

That's true but level 50 is not permanent. We just know it's 50 on release and planned to be higher some time thereafter. How fast will they update it and by how much remains to be seen. If the idea is for it to never catch up to the cap of other jobs then this complaint is valid since yes we could just clear unsync duties and hunts faster on different jobs. At that point it's only for fun at the cost of efficiency unless some spells are super OP like a high success rate of Death.

[Riblet]

Q: I love the blue mage job that appears in the FINAL FANTASY series. Will the blue mage job ever be implemented in FFXIV?

A: I think that blue mage is an interesting job because you can learn spells from enemies, but honestly I don't think that it really fits MMORPG party settings. If anything, I think it would work solo and it would be really fun to implement it as a job where you go around and learn abilities from every monster, so I'd definitely like to try and do this, but I'm concerned when it comes to playing in a party players would put up barriers if you haven't learned certain abilities. Additionally, in the event you are able to use abilities forever once you learn them, the difficulty of learning abilities would be high, and we wouldn't be able to balance the system so it wouldn't revolve around procuring your abilities instead of equipment. This wouldn't be practical enough to fit in an MMORPG party setting and conversely if you are swapping in only certain abilities you've learned, the true image of a blue mage would diminish, so this is something that I am concerned with.

From September, 2014 by the way. Yoshida was true to his word and made Blue Mage a solo job. I guess 4 years wasn't enough time for this to sink in for some people.

[BillyKaplan]

From September, 2014 by the way. Yoshida was true to his word and made Blue Mage a solo job. I guess 4 years wasn't enough time for this to sink in for some people.

Oh of course things Yoshi-P says in the past are holy and beyond doubt and scrutiny. That's why we have no housing demolition timer and personal houses are a thing and more affordable than FC houses and---
WAIT

The dev team has said things they never lived up to and went back on other things they said. I'd sooner be disappointed that in four years, they haven't been able to come up with a version of BLU that would actually work with the game they're developing. Especially since all their restrictions so far are from their own creation.