Blue Mage's implementation sucks. But, you aren't worse off for having it.

[Aerlana]

What would a support job offer that other jobs dont already offer...think that over.

All kind of skill that Samurai dont have?

I dont see the matter BLU being support now? I mean, if a party with 4 DD does less damages that a party 3 DD + 1 BLU (or any support job) with this +1 doing really low damages, it will work fine...
Think about it a little


And, people complaning about "this" BLU we have dont complain about the fact it is a side content, but all complains about the fact we CANT play him fully in the main core content.
Why not just having both ? thise sidegame AND the job ?

[whiskeybravo]

There is that other thread with a guy who unsubbed. You could follow suit if this game is so devastating for your hopes. Just saying.

Otherwise the OP is right. Youre not being denied anything, other than your ideals of what jobs get to be what. Gonna tell you now, theres gonna be people who are upset with how Gunblade and Dancer are implemented. Chances are though people wont unsub over it, or raise that huge a stink that this whole BLU thing did.

If Gunblade and Dancer are introduced as "limited jobs" then yes. If they are introduced like Every. Other. Job. then it will just be the usual too strong/too weak arguments we always have about jobs. BLU complaints are not even close to the same category as job balancing. Hell I'm not even sure it deserves the moniker of BLU until it's an actual job, as of right now it's only a glorified side quest.

[Melichoir]

I wouldn't say lazy or incompetent, but SE's priority seems obviously to make the most money out of the smallest duration of development. One only need to take a look at content like Eureka, diadem, the PVP, the decreased amount of dungeons per patch and the increased amount of cash shop items being developed to see a pattern.

Min/Maxing profit is a model virtually all businesses do. If you were paid $100 to do a job, to maximize profit, it would behoove you to do it as quickly as possible with as least amount of effort. This is common sense. You dont overwork something if theres no need. It's weird that we would assume that game studios are some how special.

Eureka isnt a great example of that because the flaw was in the concept, not in the work. Pretty sure weve been getting the same amoutn of dungeons per patch as before. Were currently at 8 lvl 70 Dungeons (outside of the original MSQ at 4.0) at patch 4.45. HW had 12 by the time 3.55 rolled out. We can reasonably assume 5.0 will have 2 more dungeons, and .5 may have another 2 to prep for xpac. We're already at 7 Trials and due probably for another, when HW only had 7 by 3.55. Still have the third installment of the alliance (which would be par for the course), and (even for its failures), have 3 and possibly a 4th Eureka. From a numbers stand point, were on track, if not having slightly more than HW did content wise.

This doesnt even consider that boss fights have increased in complexity. Im not saying SB was glorious and without flaws. As you pointed out, Eureka was a crapshoot mostly due to Pagos. The Devs have done goofed at times. I get it. But theyve also done a lot of pretty cool things and good design decisions. This is why I have the position of "Lets try it out first, then rally the pitchforks if its bad."

Furthermore, when you take a look at SE's PR regarding announcements, you ll notice that they find every speech elements in order to justify cutting corners in content, but never go the extra mile to add something more. When I listen to SE trying to justify releasing an unfinished job with bad explanations, I simply roll my eyes. And especially so they designed years ago the perfect exemple of a similar job that could perfectly be used without being unbalanced in content. It's not even a competitor who designed the stuff, it's the very same company.

I know the meme of "Hardware limitations." And yeah, some of it is absurd. From a business standpoint, theyre actually saying the right things. Pretty much, if there are internal issues going on (cash flow, lack of resources, etc) you do not say that out loud. You make excuses. Their 'excuses' to me come across as that half the time. Im not saying that it makes things better, but rather my disagreement with you is motive. Youre asserting lazyness, and I dont think its that based on the things they have done, what I know about business, and what I know about game design. I think there are larger factors as play that we dont know.

Also, I don't know where I wrote that I wouldn't unsub (I don't even know if I ll buy the next expansion), but that s not your concern nor it is relevant to the discussion at hand. I don't need you to tell me which game I may or may not play.

I was being flippant, and more aimed broadly at the general attitude about the Devs at SE, but the point is simple: If you dont like the direction of things, and dont think theyre capable of fixing it for whatever reason, just dont pay em. That "vote with your wallet" metaphor is the point here. If its a big enough issue, or you do not have hopes in this company and how its being run, dont support it. Either itll collapse or itll change course to win back your patronage.

[Stormfur]

The way they chose to implement it, with learning spells from monsters and Primals, is really innovative and unique.

But I don't think we needed 49 of them at launch with more on the way.

Because there's going to be a set of spells that everyone recommends you have and everything else is just filler or fluff.

The reasoning they gave at the dev panel was rather weak -- "Oh you don't have spell X? Booted from the party" is no different than "Oh you don't have your paladin job stone? Booted from the party."

A blue mage who has taken the time (and had the patience) to get all the spells would be as welcomed in a party as a player who took the time to get their final Eureka weapon (and assuming they know how to play their job and do mechanics). That player took the time and effort to work toward a goal. Now the dev team is saying "Good for you, but you can't use those abilities in raid."

Then why have them at all???

A crafter who doesn't level up ALL crafting classes isn't barred from crafting things. They need all crafting classes to make end-game things easier, without a doubt, but they aren't completely shut out from it. If I'm an armorer and I want to craft an armoire, I know I'll need to level up carpenter. Not a big deal. Can I craft an armoire with fewer skills? Conceivably. Would I have an easier time if I leveled up all other crafting classes? Absolutely.

TL;DR: If you put in the time and dedication toward working on a goal, you should have something to show for your efforts that can be used in group settings.

[Aerlana]

is really innovative and unique.

Unique = nowhere else = false
Innovative = neverdone before = false.

This is the main thing about all those... Many people defending what we will have say how much the devs does a thing never seen before etc which is fault. . .
It is a side content, using mechanic from other FF (and from a MMORPG FF ! ) to do a simple sidecontent, where people did ask to get a job.


And then yes you are right... if BLU is really a job, getting all skills (hey not hard to create a quest, this quest list spells you have to get, and you cant go to duties until you dont have finished a specific quest of collecting skill).

[Stanelis]

White knighting to explain why we should accept less content being developped, and at a lesser quality

I don't care about how things are done or why, all I care about, as a customer, is the result. And what I m saying as a customer is that these practices aren't acceptable. As you pointed out there are a lot of alternatives that can, are and will be played instead. FFXIV is the only game I play where I feel that the developer isn't being honest with what it is said that will be delivered and what is indeed delivered. FFXIV as it is currently is is an aging game, especially when it doesn't evolve.

Eureka isnt a great example of that because the flaw was in the concept, not in the work.

The issue was both in the concept and in the execution. And it is even worse to see such a content after the diadem.

This doesnt even consider that boss fights have increased in complexity.

No they didn't. On the contrary, there are an increasing amount of mechanics being recycled (especially soaks).

I know the meme of "Hardware limitations." And yeah, some of it is absurd. From a business standpoint, theyre actually saying the right things.

No they aren't. As a business transparency should be a thing and implying you ll deliver something better than what is actually delivered isn't a good practice.

[dragonseth07]

FFXIV as it is currently is is an aging game, especially when it doesn't evolve.

People are complaining BECAUSE of this evolution. They are literally complaining because we got something different, instead of more of the same ham-fisted Trinity gameplay.

[Rita1989]

People are complaining BECAUSE of this evolution. They are literally complaining because we got something different, instead of more of the same ham-fisted Trinity gameplay.

No people are complaining because the idea of a limited job is a step back from what we currently have its more of a de-evolution.

[Stanelis]

People are complaining BECAUSE of this evolution. They are literally complaining because we got something different, instead of more of the same ham-fisted Trinity gameplay.

The fact that evolution is needed doesn't mean you can randomly make untested changes, especially when said change only applies to outdated content that's more than 3 years old. Also, I think you ll be disappointed if you expect something incredible with the blu, because a DPS spell is a DPS spell no matter what its skin is (that's also why I don't get the "hard to balance" argument, ffxiv is designed to be easy to balance, it s the root of its battle system).

[Aerlana]

instead of more of the same ham-fisted Trinity gameplay.

But... ...
we HAVE more of the same ham-fisted Trinity gameplay.
If they wanted to do some evolution and not adding a content, but a REAL evolution, they would add the Blue Mage as a job able to do top endgame content (so, even ultimate fights) WITHOUT being a tank or a heal or a DD...
But no, because they dont want to break this trinity, they dont add blue mage as job, but as side content !