Blue Mage: Are you kidding me!?

[Lyden]

And againe u picked just one small point out of it to make ur arguments stronger as they are...

But dont want to fight about it any longer 'cause there is no real end in sight.
U should know what Yoshida did for the game which was already to shut down...u know his decitions made this game very big, so why is this "hurt" about the BLU, tell me ... why are u that mad about ONE point he cant YET do (dutyfinder with rnd) even its not live, is there absolutly no trust in the dev team of FF?
Do you know what exactly this type of endcontend will provide.... is it equal to the raid content ?
Beside the fact we all play mostly 2 jobs and more ( seldom someone play one job only ), good to have a job who cant roll on stuff which u get in dutyfinder but maybe equip equal like someone is raiding?
Look, for some ppl is this a doomsday, for others its a chance but both sites can make final desitions until its live and complet in 5.X

PS: Sry for my lag in english but i never had the chance to learn it in a professional way.

[SWB]

We were told the blue carnival will have about 75 challenges broken down into 3 stages, so basically like chocobo racing, or lord of vermilion challenges.

Its very easy to see why people are worried about Blue mage. Every patch we receive less and less content (going from 3 dungeons a patch in arr, To 2 dungeons a patch in HW, and now 1.5 every patch in SB) because resources are directed towards other ventures. These other projects (eureka, diadem, Lord of vermillion) are not popular to the majority of players, and it shows there is a huge disconnect between what is being developed and what people want.

Because of this disconnect, and how all these other projects have been received, blue mage fans are worried this means after you finish your three stages of blue carnival, they're going to have to unsub for a year or so before they have anything else to do as blue mage

[Lyden]

@ SWB there is a true core in it.

But tbh i unsubed in 4.X cause we where in the same spiral like we where in 2.0 and 3.0 all content was the same just other costume.
So ... yeah for some ppl its unfair BLU has to be the blue sheep to spice up content... and dude its not like chocobo racing or lord of vermillion ... those content provide anything outside for player than CR and LoV itself... the Blue Carnival has the chance to privde something outsite this box, beside u can use the BLU everywhere else except dutyfinder rnd.

[Kreyd]

Seriously, this is so stupid...

None of the FF jobs would've worked into this MMO in their old state. All of them had to be adapted. SE did a good job with jobs like BLM and RDM and a bad job with SMN, but they did it for 14 jobs and now they are telling us they can't do it for BLU?

I understand that some people are excited because that's new and they like to play solo...but...what the hell is even the reason in playing BLU for everyone else? If he stays away from max level, you can't do roulettes, you cant do high level content etc. All you can do is low level content with 3 friends that will do it because...yes, why? Why would people do that except leveling lower jobs or farm glamour? They just cut out BLU from like 80% of the actual game.

And with every patch that adds new things, BLU will be cut out from more and more content. New 8 man raid? BLU can't do it. New 24 man raid? BLU can't do it. New trial? BLU can't do it. New MSQ? BLU can't do it.
What is this job supposed to be beneath a side content? A low level glamour farm Job?

[Lyden]

Seriously, this is so stupid...

Look who is talkin.
If we kicked ppl from the edge of a cliff cause of reasons, we should continue this procedure or should we start to go new ways ?
BLU is only caped with 4.5 at lvl.50 with 5.0 it will raise his lvl-cap too.
But help me out my friend, if u login with 7 friends to do trials this wont also work for BLU ?

"There are restrictions that the Blue Mage cannot enter including:
— Duties requireing matchmaking
— Duty Roulette
— PvP Content
— Deep Dungeons
— Other duties not listed bay not be accessible by blue mages."
http://www.novacrystallis.com/2018/1...g-highlighted/

A bit confused about Deep Dungeon... thought BLU can do this type of content cause DD is solocontent Oo*shrug*

For me im done here in this Forum, its repeating over and over againe with no end about a topic which isnt live.
A good advice for u all, just laugh more and dont worrie to much and everything will become much more brighter.

[Kreyd]

@Lyden

With "stupid" I meant the statement of the developers, that they couldn't fit BLU in parts of the game like raids, dungeons etc., without destroying the job fantasy/old concept of the job, even though they did it with all 14 other jobs (some better, some worse).
So no reason beeing offensive. Please let's keep this discussion on a factual level.

We don't know yet when and how far BLU's level cap will be raised. If it's raised to 80 with 5.0 (for e.g.) and it actually can do raids and trials with other people and works fine in there, it's absolutelly okay for me.

But right now it "seems" (and this is really just pure speculation here) like this won't be the case and BLU will be excluded from so much content people would like to play with it. And in my opinion this would just be sad, since BLU is such a cool concept.

I guess the only thing we can do right now is waiting for more information, try it out and give feedback to SE.

[Mithia]

We were told the blue carnival will have about 75 challenges broken down into 3 stages, so basically like chocobo racing, or lord of vermilion challenges.

Its very easy to see why people are worried about Blue mage. Every patch we receive less and less content (going from 3 dungeons a patch in arr, To 2 dungeons a patch in HW, and now 1.5 every patch in SB) because resources are directed towards other ventures. These other projects (eureka, diadem, Lord of vermillion) are not popular to the majority of players, and it shows there is a huge disconnect between what is being developed and what people want.

Because of this disconnect, and how all these other projects have been received, blue mage fans are worried this means after you finish your three stages of blue carnival, they're going to have to unsub for a year or so before they have anything else to do as blue mage

The discontent comes from people who can't raid Ucob and Uwu, because thats where alot of the time is going. Ucob and Uwu can't be done by the vast majority of the players. Still they gave the raiders this content. Same goes for Eureka, its still being done, secretly there are some who even enjoy the content! The reason why we get "less content" (oh noes one dungeon) is so we can get more different content to appease other players with a wider variety of content, this is ffxiv's charm. Everything can be done rapidly, omega can be cleared in 2 hours on tuesday, your weekly donations and the watching of cutscenes are done in 10 minutes for the rebuilding of Doman's enclave. There are alot of little things in this game, but when you do them all it actually turns out that there is alot to do.

BLU on the other hand, gets hours an hours of play time of the get go. You won't have all your skills in the first few days and even if you did, you spend plenty(60+) of hours on said content. And hey, they brought out an entire class in a patch, that is where your dungeon went for example.

Honestly if the reason you sub is only raiding or BLU or ??, then ask yourself why you play this game, because there is ALOT of content out there.

[Kabooa]

Honestly if the reason you sub is only raiding or BLU or ??, then ask yourself why you play this game, because there is ALOT of content out there.

Dungeons are generally universally appealing. The main sell of Final Fantasy 14 is a fairly standard RPG set in an MMO world.

It is one thing to develop side content, it is another if the main cake of the game is compromised for this side content. My main annoyance is that FF14 implements a plethora of features, but fails to follow up or complete any of them. They're diversions at best, and many of them you get everything you ever will out of them after 15 minutes.

[Darkpaw]

You all do realize Blue Mage, Isn't the same as summoner, black mage, red mage. "Oh just grab some of it's abilities and make a dps rotation out of them?" well have any of you gone and taken the time to go look at Blue Mage's recurring skills and game specific skills? I have. Most of the skills as written are broken and would need massive reworks to fit in the ideals of this game. Some that would mean that the classic abilities you know and love... don't feel anything like their original blue magics. then most of you would be on these forums screaming. "WHY DID THEY CHANGE THIS BLUE MAGIC.. THIS ISNT BLUE MAGE THIS IS A TESTAMENT TO INEPTITUDE!"... over and over and over again. Blue Mage skills aren't tailored to this kind of game, and yes there are certain ways to make it work, each of you has come up with a thousand different ways blue mage could work as a full job in this game, and each one of you made compromises somewhere that took away a bit of what blue mage is, to get it into this game. Most of you probably took more away from what a blue mage is and how it feels than what the Dev Team has done. You're mad or worried or upset with what they've done?... you haven't even given it a chance yet.


So let's look at the facts. Fact one: Raising this kind of hell now. Accomplishes nothing because of the fact that. WE HAVENT PLAYED IT YET! Most of you have condemned it to death without even giving it a chance. Wait to blow up the forums until after you've got your hands on it. Spent some time with it.


Fact Two: Given that they are looking to incorporate other possible jobs into this limited role. The chances of them leaving this content behind are not real good. It wouldn't do to serve them if they just drop and forget this content so it's not chocobo racing and it's not lords of verminion. Blue mage is not a minigame people. It's content the Dev Team worked hard to give us, to give us a traditional blue mage feel.


Fact Three: The "We will never get to end game content" is a lie. Because you don't know that. You don't know what the future holds for Blue Mage anymore than I do. This is speculation at best, and that's where most of this frustration is coming from. We did not really get as much information about blue mage as we would have liked. We have no idea what the future plans are for blue mage or if it's spot in this limited system is a consistent thing or whether they are using it as a sort of sandbox test run, and before you argue that square should have told us this. Square-Enix is never going to openly tell you that they are testing out experimental new content on the players and that they'll change based on feedback. They just wouldn't.


Fact Four: and i'm going to stress this one.. YOU HAVENT EVEN PLAYED IT YET!

[MikkoAkure]

This kind of echo chamber gloom and dooming is why I tend to avoid the official forums. I get why people are upset, but there’s a lot of dramatic overreaction in this thread. I waited for musketeer to come out, going back to the 1.0 beta, only to get MCH. But I don’t let it get in my way of enjoying the game as a whole.

BLU is not out yet. We also don’t fully know what SE’s idea is with fully realized level 80 BLU is. I mained BLU in FFXI and though I’m not the happiest that it won’t exist in the same way in this game as it did in that one, I can understand the reasoning. Spell acquisition in this game works differently than in FFXI, and things aren’t as loose. In FFXIV, spell hunting was a very big aspect of that job’s identity so if they streamlined the job to work with XIV, people still wouldn’t be happy.

I think at this point there’s nothing we can say that will change how the job will come out in 4.5. Best we can do at this point is take a deep breath and wait until January/February and see how it plays out. Worst that can happen is that it sucks and no one plays it and we go back to our regularly scheduled programming of not having BLU like how it’s been the past 7 years or so and SE learns a lesson.