Blue Mage: Are you kidding me!?

[Mithia]

They actually frown upon the behavior of excluding classes from content just because of their toolkit or lack there of. I mean look at Eureka, they frowned upon the fate train and they made sure to kill it. In Pyros there isn't even a train anymore and in Pagos you can stand for an hour in front of a spawning point with the entire instance and nothing can spawn.

So don't put it past them to eliminate that mentality if they frown upon it.

And no, I don't have any evidence or insider information that they are actually beta testing the class. Its just logical to assume that when they have a new idea or concept of something they would give it a trial run to gather more data without bringing a potential imbalance to the prestige endgame. And yes, potd or hoh solo is also seen as prestige. Those title's aren't easy to get.

Honestly, some of you really act as if the sky is falling just because BLU isn't a straight up combat class from the get go. Try it out, see at what speed they are upping the level cap and then let us judge how bad SE is.

[Flatopia]

No, it is a real job, something actually true to its roots. Because it isn't for endgame content right away doesn't mean it can't grow into it eventually. Balancing a class can be a living nightmare. I mean look at ninja's, they have to settle for low dps compared to other classes because they just have trick attack.

So instead they say, ok, you can go to 50 right now, give us some data to look into and then later in another patch we will up the level cap.

No
It's not a real job

This isn't "balanced for end game content"
It's literally created to not participate in it on a design level.

this isn't a balance issue, this is a decision to try and preserve the class fantasy when, as people have said and given examples of, we don't have to choose. Why not have this minigame as a thing alongside a properly designed job that can play the other 80% of the content on a properly formatted job with mechanics.
We can have both and they don't need to use new assets as they're all there.

The only thing saying the class fantasy can't interact with the core mechanics are people giving up early and deciding that the vast majority of people that wanted the job in the game should give up on using it as a normal job.

Like we've all said, even the developers, it's not a beta test for a real job. This is lacking mechanics, synergy, kit function, and actual function all for the sake of maintaining the class fantasy from 11's BLU- not even all BLU from other games!

[Mithia]

No
It's not a real job

This isn't "balanced for end game content"
It's literally created to not participate in it on a design level.

this isn't a balance issue, this is a decision to try and preserve the class fantasy when, as people have said and given examples of, we don't have to choose. Why not have this minigame as a thing alongside a properly designed job that can play the other 80% of the content on a properly formatted job with mechanics.
We can have both and they don't need to use new assets as they're all there.

The only thing saying the class fantasy can't interact with the core mechanics are people giving up early and deciding that the vast majority of people that wanted the job in the game should give up on using it as a normal job.

Like we've all said, even the developers, it's not a beta test for a real job. This is lacking mechanics, synergy, kit function, and actual function all for the sake of maintaining the class fantasy from 11's BLU- not even all BLU from other games!

BLU is a real job, just not the conventional combat class we are used to. It has its lore, quests, progression and its own endgame at the moment. Just because for now it can't participate in savage or roulette's doesn't mean it isn't an actual job. That's like saying crafters/gatherers aren't real jobs because you can't throw your anvil at the boss.

However what BLU can do is access all ARR content, all be it not through duty finder.

Correct me if I'm wrong but they never mentioned in the live letter that it would lack synergy or kit function. They merely feared that it would be imbalanced in savage raids taking in consideration that the fights aren't designed with them in mind and that there may be loopholes players love to exploit giving them an unfair advantage. And that they feared that there would be a high requirement on the skills the BLU must have to join a random PF/DF party.

[Rollout]

As someone that hasn't even been a huge fan of Blue Mage, even I'm disappointed at what has been shown of this "limited job". FFXIV has been praised numerous times for it's Duty Finder, allowing players to do old content without having to jump through hoops. Blue Mage being restricted from one of the things that FFXIV was praised for is a major disappointment.

The concerns for keeping the job's identity intact is also very weak, given that they've sacrificed the identity of Summoner, Dark Knight and Red Mage to make them work in FFXIV's system. I'm sure they could have easily had balanced the job's abilities to work in all content, while still allowing players to learn the abilities from monsters, instead of job quests. And if their concern was people going into Duty Finder without knowing any monster abilities, then impose a level cap on the class that only goes up after you've learned enough abilities.

I can understand keeping the class at a low level upon introducing it, so that you can work on balancing the class to make sure that it works right and isn't overpowered. But the fact that you seem like you won't even be raising the level cap to match that of other jobs by the time Shadowbringers is released makes me question what the point of the class even is, anyways. If the class won't be level 70-80 by the time Shadowbringers comes out, I'm not going to be able to use it in Shadowbringers areas, by pure virtue of the accuracy system relying on player level to determine your chance to hit. And if I'm going back to old zones for whatever reason, I'd rather do that on a powerful class that can handle the enemies without having to worry. Trying to go through any of these areas with a Blue Mage will seem more like a self-imposed challenge with no benefit.

And, all criticism intended, I have zero hopes for Masked Carnivale being any sort of meaningful content. You've proven time and time again with any content that's not a standard dungeon, trial or raid ultimately ends up being a flop and forgotten about. Diadem saw little to no support and you introduced weapons five item levels higher than the raid weapons that drop at random in a desperate attempt to entice people to go back in and that stopped working when people realized the incredibly low odds of getting a weapon to drop, much less get a weapon with decent stats. Eureka was teased for ages prior to the launch of Stormblood and what did it end up being when Anemos dropped? Nothing but a mindless grind with nothing that interesting implemented outside of the Magia Wheel, and even that isn't that interesting. And then when people found a way to make the content more bearable, you decided to punish players by designing Pagos to be as unfriendly as possible. If you wanted chaining to be a thing, you shouldn't have made the instance hold 144 people; there's no way that many people could come to an agreement on how to split up the very limited number of same-level enemies to chain. If Masked Carnivale actually does prove to be something new, interesting and exciting, and continues to grow and develop, then I will be incredibly impressed, but I'm not going to get my hopes up given how things like Diadem and Eureka ended up being.

[Shugou]

Honestly, for me - I personally never liked BLU as a class overall, but I loved their weapon. Then they went into more details about it being SOLO unless "hurrdurr if you already have a party you can go into dungeons" but you can't use roulettes or anything? So I went from "Maybe, just maybe, I'll level this class." to "Nope, lost all interest." To me, it portrays itself as a way for SE to make people shut up about BLU because people kept bringing it up. "Well, we weren't serious! BLU was just a meme and we were making jokes!" Well, because you made jokes you now get to deal with the consequences of your actions. (Mind you, this is an actual conversation that I witnessed in Shout Chat in Ul Dah.)

[Zeggy]

I'd like to point out to people who keep calling it a "Job, so they obviously will eventually make it available for content", with no proof of anything that they're saying, that it isn't a job. If you've watched... Literally anything... they very clearly gave it a new name. "Limited Job". Yes.. It has the word Job in it, but as with things such as... You're... Your... or There.. Their.... They're. They're all very similar words, but in context to sentences they change the meaning of it quite a lot!

So, while I would love to believe that this is a beta test, you can hear in the live letter, Yoshida once again pleading with people to understand that this is how it has to be, in line with things such as asking for a butt slider in the character customization. And hanging his head when the audience makes noises of disapproval.

[Lyden]

Gawd guys, its the first "limited job" with special content ... did u consider SE and the Dev team of FF14 want expant their portfolio in case of MMORPG?
This "limited job" thing is a chance not a punishment, lets wait and see how endgame will change for 5.0.
For me a bad ass broken solo class is extremly awesome cause u can do group FATES or stuff like Odin try to tackle alone cause BLU is a one men army and less and less ppl wont do older stuff.
At the moment we can only look through the glasses of now, but we rly dont know what every else will change in FF14 its 1 out of 3 Fan Festivals and a huge change in the battle system is in the pipeline too, so be patient guys.
Look at diadem, now its eureka SE is not BLIZZARD wich add content to make them decay in the future, everything tied well together after a while.... so relax and enjoy new things ( truly new things and not painted over old walls over and over againe)

[Zeggy]

I like how people keep changing the argument in this threat. It goes from "It's a real job, they're just working on it!" to "It's just a new type of content like diadem and eurkea, give it a shot before you talk!" (Which by the way, great examples. Those were both real fun and not tedious at all) to "Well, Blue mage wouldn't work like we all said, so see?" are like missing the point.

This is not some attraction they're adding, like the golden saucer. This is an iconic class that has been in multiple games that deserves to be allowed into EVERY PART OF CONTENT. No exceptions. The Carnival thing would be neat, indeed, I'd say even great content if it was added and even made as like a solo pve thing for ALL CLASSES to enjoy. Give it a separate set of abilities such as you get in PVP and let everyone enjoy it.

Imagine the new Smash Brothers comes out, and Pikachu is in the game, your favorite character maybe, but you can only play it in 100 multi kill mode. It's there, you can see it, you can even play it. Though for whatever reason in the coding it won't let you play it. Even if you don't like Pikachu, you'd be pretty confused!

[Lyden]

I like how people keep changing the argument in this threat.

Okay Zeggy i get it ... u are much triggered and there is no point to be happy with it ...
Just pickout those small points u can work with and bring it in a new constelation , love it!

For me is BLU a chance i have no facts about this new type of content which interact with all other content except dutyfinder = ___=)" until i have the chance to play it by myself !
Consider the Fact FF14 is not WoW where ALL ppl are hungry for raid content only, maybe just a little bit is BLU and their way of gameplay exactly what they had wished for ?
Maybe just a bit they are happy not to have a another reskined mage which shared only the name of this experince named Bluemage ?


Edit: Oh and we all love to queu as a dps in dutyfinder, 40min joy of waiting \O/

[Zeggy]

Nice change of argument again by trying to make the other person seem unreasonable.

You might be right. In fact I'm certain you're right that carnival will be fun. Most things they release are fun. Not what I'm talking about but I agree.

Also so we're clear, they are still adding other jobs one of which will most likely be a dps, or even without a dps added all the people who play dps are still going to level a dps most likely so you're still going to have that problem. It's only manageable now because everyone is leveled and content is spread out. When the expansion comes out, everyone will be racing to 80.

This isn't about wanting to play a dps though. This is wanting an iconic class in all content. ALL.