Concerns about Blue Mage long-term viability in-game

[ChaoticCrimson]

A minor concern of mine is for new players coming into the game who will want to try this out. Mind you, the fact that even though it's going to be an available job in ARR it won't be until after the base story is complete offsets much of it, since by nature of the quest progression you'll be required to have at least one other job leveled to 50. Even so, I hope they make the terms of BLU being a limited job very explicitly clear in-game. It'd be a shame for some poor newbie to try to take time to level up BLU, hoping to make it a main job, only to find out they can't do level roulettes or use Duty Finder, and will likely be hindered trying to use the job to make any kind of post-2.0 progress without a good and diligent set of friends to take them through. Again, I don't see it being a widespread problem, but still a possibility that could discourage some new players.

[JBee]

Youre not supposed to be maining BLU.

That sounds like entitlement.

If you TRULY and DEEPLY believe that to be the case, unsub. Show them you do not approve of this level of disrespect to the player base by voicing your opinion, and then following it up with actual meaningful action. 'Cause frankly, a lot of the "Slapping people in the face" crowd are complaining about something as if its a dire terrible effect, but arent willing to do anything meaningful about it. So it comes across as hyperbole and knee jerk reactions.

Congratulations, my first ignore.

[Melichoir]

I'm not a Savage raider, so I'm happy for ANYTHING to come along to break up the monotony of log in-do your dungeon-get your tomestones-cap-log-out" - but why do this with a JOB, much less something so iconic and so deeply desired by the playerbase?

Disciples of the Land and Hand -- those are meant to be side jobs. Hildibrand is goofy fun you can do to sort of lighten the mood. None of those are combat classes. It would be one thing if we started out in game as an adventurer/freelancer sort of "jack of all trades" and then branched into a class, but I can think of many people who were looking to main BLU, and this is kind of a slap in the face to them.

I guess what I meant regarding asking "what happens next" after collecting the skills was less of "this is the end of the content, go outside and get some air", and more "I got all of these skills but what content can I do apart from pre-formed parties and Carnivale?" It's like getting all the logos actions in Eureka even if you can only use a handful of them. I did it anyway because I figured it would be mandatory come the next iteration of Eureka.

I do not get why you think the player base is being jipped. The only place, ultimately, where BLU wont be functional in is Raid Prog.

Yes, BLU is a side content in regards to end game Prog. That is fine. This is a new thing they are trying. It sucks for anyone who wanted to play this as an end game raider. But if thats not your goal, you still can play this class, you can still do content, you just are a bit more limited in scope due to the nature of the design concept. There is no way around this. You either dumb it down and dissatisfy the players because it loses its identity, or you create its own content that can be played on the side, giving players more things to do.

As for what happens next, that just it. When you play out what is available, you wait for more things to get added. That is the luxury of MMOs. More content is usually 'on the way.' Youre not looking at its end goal correctly. When you get all the skills, and you do all the Carnival, thats it. That is the end game, until the endgame changes. Much like when you beat all the tiers of Omega, and are BIS, thats it for raid progression. Theres nothing else the end game changes. Your disconnect appears to be thinking that the challange of getting skills, unlike when you a lvl normal class, isnt an endgame goal, but an obligatory step you take. As the skills will be 'handed to you', rather than earned.

Congratulations, my first ignore.

Um ok. Thanks for informing everyone of that and providing great feedback and discussion, I Guess? I mean Cutting bits of my previous posts out of context is a sure way to express a point...I think? Actually I dont even know what point your making, but /thumbsup? You do you?

[Iscah]

A minor concern of mine is for new players coming into the game who will want to try this out. Mind you, the fact that even though it's going to be an available job in ARR it won't be until after the base story is complete offsets much of it, since by nature of the quest progression you'll be required to have at least one other job leveled to 50. Even so, I hope they make the terms of BLU being a limited job very explicitly clear in-game. It'd be a shame for some poor newbie to try to take time to level up BLU, hoping to make it a main job, only to find out they can't do level roulettes or use Duty Finder, and will likely be hindered trying to use the job to make any kind of post-2.0 progress without a good and diligent set of friends to take them through. Again, I don't see it being a widespread problem, but still a possibility that could discourage some new players.

I guess the "can't do roulettes" thing is why it's locked behind completing MSQ. It would be worse if a newbie picks it up, levels it during the early game, then gets to Sastasha and... no, sorry, you can't come in here. Please go pick up another class and level it to 15 to continue.

[Bernhardt]

If you TRULY and DEEPLY believe that to be the case, unsub. Show them you do not approve of this level of disrespect to the player base by voicing your opinion, and then following it up with actual meaningful action. 'Cause frankly, a lot of the "Slapping people in the face" crowd are complaining about something as if its a dire terrible effect, but arent willing to do anything meaningful about it. So it comes across as hyperbole and knee jerk reactions.

AMEN, I will not be subscribing until this class gets up to snuff. I WILL NOT be paying SE to test out a job that has no certainty of ever being able to do end game current content. It is 2018 and we have to fight to get a class to use something as basic as random dungeon finder. There are too many gaming alternatives out there to spend time and money on something that may never even come true. I would have continued to do the same predictable gameplay loop of a grind that FFXIV is if I could have done it as a Blue Mage. Unfortunately, I'll continue to be a player who this game probably isn't for and as someone who has put several years into the game, am truly saddened by the information we have now. I hope I'm wrong, I'd be the first one smashing that subscibe button.

But with the current information we have now, and with the remaining days left of my subscription I will leave this feedback on the forums.

In good conscious I can't continue to support this game with a subscription.

[Kogasan]

I think where SE made its biggest mistake is when the announced it as a job to begin with. Blue in the state it is isn't a job it's a side event.

[KDSilver]

Once you get all classes to 70. Then what?

I can play them on end game content

Once you get all your stuff geared, then what?

I know gear won't step me back from doing the content - I can even somehow push my performance even further, which will help if i'm in a party with "new" player (raid/enrage problematic)

Once you own all the items at Gold Saucer, then what?
Gold Saucer are also mini-game.

Once you beat the final tier of a Savage Raid, then what?
I do again until I'm bored of it and this is still a weekly cotent to do ?

Your example are just bad.

[BubblyBoar]

Youre not supposed to be maining BLU.

Assuming you actually like DRK and main it because it is a beloved job, how would you feel if it was made a limited job instead of a full one? DRK was introduced as a limited job that allowed the player to do fun little open world content where they hunt down corrupt clergyman ala Assassin Creed Style. But because DRKs sacrifice HP for one strong attack, they aren't fit for normal content, so they are excluded from the DF and will only have their level capped raised in patches after the next expansion. You get to be that DRK class you like so much, but you aren't supposed to main it. It's side content and you really shouldn't complain about it. At least the class exists and it would be impossible to balance around the mechanic of using HP to attack.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Your example are just bad.

Except nothing's stopping you from continuing to have fun with BLU after you collected all the skills.

I do again until I'm bored of it

Why are people playing BLU somehow exempt from this? If you can keep raiding Savage after getting every reward you could get out of it, why can't you keep playing BLU after you've gotten every skill?

[Iscah]

I think where SE made its biggest mistake is when the announced it as a job to begin with. Blue in the state it is isn't a job it's a side event.

Important question: when and how did they first say blue mage was coming? I know there was confusion on the Saturday night about it being announced as a "limited job" and what that would mean, but prior to that (as far as I'm aware) we only knew it was coming because of the leaks - and they said nothing about the nature of it, just that the job was coming.

So while they still might not have handled it as well as they should have, particularly once the entire fandom was sure it was happening, the hype-and-collapse isn't 100% their fault.

They still probably should have switched the order of the reveal - "we have some really cool solo content coming soon... it's blue mage!" would have prevented the excited period where blue mage was confirmed but not yet explained.