Blue mage at patch 4.5

[JBee]

The game is just a game - it is a means of fantasy and escapism, and some of us have put many, many hours into it.

But for a real world analogy....

If I treated my Job as a Limited Job, it would be "UNM" ...

Unemployed.

[Ilenya]

The game is just a game - it is a means of fantasy and escapism, and some of us have put many, many hours into it.

But for a real world analogy....

If I treated my Job as a Limited Job, it would be "UNM" ...

Unemployed.

It'd be a hobby.

[kikix12]

If I treated my Job as a Limited Job, it would be "UNM" ...

No. It would be a low-wage job with no prospects for a raise or promotion. Aka...what many people in the world can relate to.

[JBee]

I worded my post poorly, that's on me.

What I meant was... if I only did a limited number of my job duties in my current position, I should expect to be replaced. Not the best analogy, granted.

[Ilenya]

I worded my post poorly, that's on me.

What I meant was... if I only did a limited number of my job duties in my current position, I should expect to be replaced. Not the best analogy, granted.

That still doesn't make any sense to how BLU is planned?

[Shadowshinra]

That still doesn't make any sense to how BLU is planned?

One of Yoshida excuses for Blue being limited was that people would kick BLUs from dungeons if they didn't have the right spells, which would happen for any job, and will actually still happen with BLU in party finders since people are absolutely going to find the best 24 abilities that should be used.

[kikix12]

One of Yoshida excuses for Blue being limited was that people would kick BLUs from dungeons if they didn't have the right spells, which would happen for any job, and will actually still happen with BLU in party finders since people are absolutely going to find the best 24 abilities that should be used.

It does apply to all jobs, yes. But do you honestly not see a difference between a class where there are maybe 30% of their abilities locked behind (and some of them suck or are situational) and a class that never, ever, will get even the most fundamental amount of abilities without the person going far out of their way to obtain them?! And even THEN many of them are likely to still be situational?!

Blue Mage is in absolutely way worse position in terms of player toxicity than any other class. The question here is not whether that's true but whether it can be fixed.

It can, but that requires time and testing. And honestly...having players do the testing here is far better for all people involved. Players because that way any change can happen far earlier, developers because it's going to be a lot more certain result, cheaper with less development time spent on it in place of stuff that players cannot test properly.

[Stanelis]

It does apply to all jobs, yes. But do you honestly not see a difference between a class where there are maybe 30% of their abilities locked behind (and some of them suck or are situational) and a class that never, ever, will get even the most fundamental amount of abilities without the person going far out of their way to obtain them?! And even THEN many of them are likely to still be situational?!

Blue Mage is in absolutely way worse position in terms of player toxicity than any other class. The question here is not whether that's true but whether it can be fixed.

It can, but that requires time and testing. And honestly...having players do the testing here is far better for all people involved. Players because that way any change can happen far earlier, developers because it's going to be a lot more certain result, cheaper with less development time spent on it in place of stuff that players cannot test properly.

Here are quick easy fixes to the issues you raise

1) just make it so monsters abilities aren't the only spells of the class (like in FFVIII with quistis),
2) just make it so you must have X spells learned to join a duty finder group, a damage dealing spell will be a damage dealing spell, no matter what it is, with how the battle system is designed, what will change will mostly be the skin's spell,
3) just make it so you need a level X0 job before you can play blu, so you need to have a basic grasp of the game before you can play blu (blu would then be thought as an "advanced" job).

Also I don't get this mentality where the game should be designed around players who don't want to progress. In a mmorpg, a bad player will be a bad player no matter the job/system. Also, LoL is an incredibly complex game, it doesn't prevent it to be one of the most played game of the decade.

Hell, even pokemon is a game where you need to pick and choose which abilities you want to use, yet it is typically played by children. Please do not think people are idiots.