People who are mad about the "limited job" didn't actually want Blue Mage.

[Fyce]

The problem with BLU is that this is not the implementation people wanted for it. Whenever it's asked for a job to be included in the game, they want it to be something that is playable in all the contexts that are available to any other job. They want it to be able to do the content in a truly meaningful way that is true to XIV and how it approaches its design.

The issue with this BLU implementation is that it doesn't even attempt to integrate in a meaningful way. This is not BLU for the sake of it being a part of the game, this is BLU for the sake of it being in the game so they can say it's there.

"You asked for BLU to be in the game, we gave it to you. Why are you complaining?"

Are you ignoring the fact that Yoshida called the shots for four years now, describing exactly how BLU would be done if it was implemented, and that people kept asking for it anyway?

Four years ago, when people were asking for BLU...
Yoshida: "BLU is interesting. But if we were to do it, it would have to be a solo class with specific content and would be unfit for regular party play."
Players: "Yeah, makes sense."

Today...
Yoshida: "Here, we made BLU. It's a solo class with specific content and is unfit for regular party play."
Players: "OMG WHAT I CANNOT BELIEVE IT HOW CAN THIS BE REEEEEEEEE!!!"

[Malzian]

Are you ignoring the fact that Yoshida called the shots for four years now, describing exactly how BLU would be done if it was implemented, and that people kept asking for it anyway?

Four years ago, when people were asking for BLU...
Yoshida: "BLU is interesting. But if we were to do it, it would have to be a solo class with specific content and would be unfit for regular party play."
Players: "Yeah, makes sense."

Today...
Yoshida: "Here, we made BLU. It's a solo class with specific content and is unfit for regular party play."
Players: "OMG WHAT I CANNOT BELIEVE IT HOW CAN THIS BE REEEEEEEEE!!!"

I am not ignoring anything, but if you are willing to provide a source to you're first "quote" from Yoshi-P and the corresponding response I would welcome considering it. I have a difficult time remembering everything Yoshida has said for years ago and the community response is notoriously inconsistent.

[PotatoWafflez]

I am not ignoring anything, but if you are willing to provide a source to you're first "quote" from Yoshi-P and the corresponding response I would welcome considering it. I have a difficult time remembering everything Yoshida has said for years ago and the community response is notoriously inconsistent.

Q: I love the blue mage job that appears in the FINAL FANTASY series. Will the blue mage job ever be implemented in FFXIV?

A: I think that blue mage is an interesting job because you can learn spells from enemies, but honestly I don't think that it really fits MMORPG party settings. If anything, I think it would work solo and it would be really fun to implement it as a job where you go around and learn abilities from every monster, so I'd definitely like to try and do this, but I'm concerned when it comes to playing in a party players would put up barriers if you haven't learned certain abilities. Additionally, in the event you are able to use abilities forever once you learn them, the difficulty of learning abilities would be high, and we wouldn't be able to balance the system so it wouldn't revolve around procuring your abilities instead of equipment. This wouldn't be practical enough to fit in an MMORPG party setting and conversely if you are swapping in only certain abilities you've learned, the true image of a blue mage would diminish, so this is something that I am concerned with. Letter LIVE XVII; 08/23/2014

[Fawkes]

I am not ignoring anything, but if you are willing to provide a source to you're first "quote" from Yoshi-P and the corresponding response I would welcome considering it. I have a difficult time remembering everything Yoshida has said for years ago and the community response is notoriously inconsistent.

Here is a thread that talks about Yoshida's statement about Blue Mage from four years ago. I don't think the consensus was "Yeah, makes sense" though.

[Malzian]

Q: I love the blue mage job that appears in the FINAL FANTASY series. Will the blue mage job ever be implemented in FFXIV?

A: I think that blue mage is an interesting job because you can learn spells from enemies, but honestly I don't think that it really fits MMORPG party settings. If anything, I think it would work solo and it would be really fun to implement it as a job where you go around and learn abilities from every monster, so I'd definitely like to try and do this, but I'm concerned when it comes to playing in a party players would put up barriers if you haven't learned certain abilities. Additionally, in the event you are able to use abilities forever once you learn them, the difficulty of learning abilities would be high, and we wouldn't be able to balance the system so it wouldn't revolve around procuring your abilities instead of equipment. This wouldn't be practical enough to fit in an MMORPG party setting and conversely if you are swapping in only certain abilities you've learned, the true image of a blue mage would diminish, so this is something that I am concerned with. Letter LIVE XVII; 08/23/2014

Thank you for providing the source.

Here is a thread that talks about Yoshida's statement about Blue Mage from four years ago. I don't think the consensus was "Yeah, makes sense" though.

Yes, I agree with that, I don't feel that everyone through it "made sense". One also needs to remember that the community has changed significantly in the last 4 years and the community opinion has always been fickle.

[Fyce]

Here is a thread that talks about Yoshida's statement about Blue Mage from four years ago. I don't think the consensus was "Yeah, makes sense" though.

That thread was not about how SE would do BLU, it's about the rigidity of the system not allowing the team to get SMN and BLU right. Some of the posts are also very understanding of how BLU would be a problem in regular group play. Anyway, most of them are actually discussing how to change the system to fit BLU. Not the other way around... Which is actually the complete opposite of the complains we're seeing today against BLU. Lots of people are currently saying that they'd have prefered BLU to be shoehorned into that strict mould rather than keeping BLU identity intact.

Guess what, Square Enix solved the problem regarding the rigidity of the system by simply making a brand new one - with some obvious and expected incompatibilities with the established one.
Well, if people don't like that solution, they should've raised their voice before it was too late. Especially since I see a bunch of people claiming that "BLU is my favourite job ever! I've waited it for years!" If you love something that much, you should care about it and actually get involved. (And yes, that's the same argument we ear during elections: "Don't vote? Don't complain.")

I'm definitly keeping that link. Thanks.

[Fawkes]

I'm definitly keeping that link. Thanks.

No problem, have some more.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-on-blue-mage

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...bout-blue-mage

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...olution-to-BLU