Any chance that all raids could become relevant in some capacity in the future?

[Vidu]

To be honest: No, I would not like to see that.
Of course I'm in the nice position to have played all raid/savage content when it was relevant (and when I was intrested in it - meaning: I skipped most of Alexander, because it wasnt my cup of tea, but that was my choice, I could have found a static at any time during that raid cycle). But thats excatly why I dont want it to stay relevant til all eterntiy: I want to move on from it, I want new content and new fights to learn.
I loved Coil and I dont mind going back there on occassion - unsyched for Khloe, synched for friends if they want to experience it "the real way".
But I dont want it to be really and actually relevant again. Its done. My casual static spend weeks and months on this content, learning, farming, gearing... I dont wanna have to go back to T13 to get stuff.

Also: Coil and Alex Savage dont compare in difficulty to the current NM at all, you wont be able to do most of them (and surely not the intresting fights like T9, T12 or T13 for Coil and A4/8/12S) in synched DF because thats not how they're meant to be played. So... you'd need a static. To get gear thats worse than what you can get with tomestones, from content that all of you thought you "finally" beat and burried.

I understand the desire to do this content the right way - either again or for the first time. There are some really great and fun fights in it! So go and do it to experience those fights - find like minded people, build the static that you need for this sort of content and do it for the sake of the content itself.
Dont add even more backtracking to this game, its not needed.
I'd rather get some new raid-content, both NM and Savage, than be "forced" to go back to T13.

That content had its time - now is the time for new content to shine!
Sorry if you missed the window, but I can only encourage you to find 7 other people who'd just like to go back and do those fights (again). Its what you'd have to do anyways, wether there are gear rewards at current ilvl or not. Good luck!

[Ventimus]

To be honest: No, I would not like to see that.
Of course I'm in the nice position to have played all raid/savage content when it was relevant (and when I was intrested in it - meaning: I skipped most of Alexander, because it wasnt my cup of tea, but that was my choice, I could have found a static at any time during that raid cycle). But thats excatly why I dont want it to stay relevant til all eterntiy: I want to move on from it, I want new content and new fights to learn.
I loved Coil and I dont mind going back there on occassion - unsyched for Khloe, synched for friends if they want to experience it "the real way".
But I dont want it to be really and actually relevant again. Its done. My casual static spend weeks and months on this content, learning, farming, gearing... I dont wanna have to go back to T13 to get stuff.

Also: Coil and Alex Savage dont compare in difficulty to the current NM at all, you wont be able to do most of them (and surely not the intresting fights like T9, T12 or T13 for Coil and A4/8/12S) in synched DF because thats not how they're meant to be played. So... you'd need a static. To get gear thats worse than what you can get with tomestones, from content that all of you thought you "finally" beat and burried.

I understand the desire to do this content the right way - either again or for the first time. There are some really great and fun fights in it! So go and do it to experience those fights - find like minded people, build the static that you need for this sort of content and do it for the sake of the content itself.
Dont add even more backtracking to this game, its not needed.
I'd rather get some new raid-content, both NM and Savage, than be "forced" to go back to T13.

That content had its time - now is the time for new content to shine!
Sorry if you missed the window, but I can only encourage you to find 7 other people who'd just like to go back and do those fights (again). Its what you'd have to do anyways, wether there are gear rewards at current ilvl or not. Good luck!

See that's the thing though, there's no way for them to pump out new raids before the old ones get stale. I wasn't around during the 2.0 raid tier, so a lot of those raids I have never done properly. Good luck to me finding people who want to run through 2.x raid prog the proper way. Why would anyone want to? But, circling back to my point at the beginning, they cannot possibly pump out raids fast enough to keep things fresh all the time. Doing this, and making old raids relevant doesn't force people to do old content if they don't want, but it makes doing so feasible and rewarding if you want.

[Vidu]

See that's the thing though, there's no way for them to pump out new raids before the old ones get stale. I wasn't around during the 2.0 raid tier, so a lot of those raids I have never done properly. Good luck to me finding people who want to run through 2.x raid prog the proper way. Why would anyone want to? But, circling back to my point at the beginning, they cannot possibly pump out raids fast enough to keep things fresh all the time. Doing this, and making old raids relevant doesn't force people to do old content if they don't want, but it makes doing so feasible and rewarding if you want.

Why do YOU want to do the raids the proper way? Answer that question and you know why other people might wanna do the same - you're not so special and alone in your wish to do the content properly.
Is it difficult and annoying to find people for that?
Yes. Yes, it is.
But thats the same for new raid-content. Slightly easier, but still annoying and a lot of work.
Organising 8 people is never easy - and thats what you need to do for Savage and Coil synched (and if you wanna do it properly: at minimum ilvl... and actually without all the new jobs.)
Coil and Alex Savage arent an alternative to Alpha NM, there on different scales of the difficulty level. You're not queuing up for T12 and clear it with one wipe in 20 minutes.

Also: All the Coils are part of Khloes books now, so there is a reason to go back and do them.

The whole "they cant make enough content"-argument is actually part of the reason I dont want this. I dont want them to point to Coil, Alexander Savage and Omega Savage in 5.0 and tell us: "Here! There are aaaaall those raids for you to do! We can delay the ones for this expansion, right? And two tiers are enough aswell, right? You got so many raids to do already!"
No. The old raids need to die to make room for the new ones.
If you and your static get bored between raid-tiers, you can always go back and catch up on Coil now - just for the fun.

[Ventimus]

"Why do YOU want to do the raids the proper way? Answer that question and you know why other people might wanna do the same - you're not so special and alone in your wish to do the content properly.
Is it difficult and annoying to find people for that?
Yes. Yes, it is."

That first part is all the reasoning I need in wanting this. It shouldn't be difficult and annoying to find others wanting to do content that they already pay for. I'm a rather hardcore MMO raider, newer to FFXIV but not to raiding. I've managed large guilds and large 16M raid teams for harder level content, and I've never had any sort of difficulty organizing people to clear content through progression. I respect that people want the focus to be on the new raids, hence why I suggested the newer content still provide better rewards than older content. I'm perfectly aware that I'm not going to get people together to do Savage progression for old raids. And I don't like that. Again, how can giving other people incentive to do older content and be rewarded for it be anything but good for the health of the game? Would you do it? No? I know that plenty of players who are new to Eorzea such as myself may very much want to experience old content properly scaled and providing some sort of reward upon successful progression.

And also, they would know better than to think that allowing us to do older content is a reason not to provide newer content. You're telling me you're fine with farming four bosses for a quarter of a year, and then never touching them again? Making older content rewarding for players to fill their time with is nothing but a positive in my eyes, and I fail to see how you could think otherwise and not due to lack of trying. I'm trying to understand what your line of thought it, but I'm not getting anywhere. It is NOT difficult to just scale rewards from older raids, so it wouldn't exactly eat up development time or anything. And it would allow players like myself to properly enjoy the work that Square Enix has provided.

[Vidu]

That first part is all the reasoning I need in wanting this. It shouldn't be difficult and annoying to find others wanting to do content that they already pay for. I'm a rather hardcore MMO raider, newer to FFXIV but not to raiding. I've managed large guilds and large 16M raid teams for harder level content, and I've never had any sort of difficulty organizing people to clear content through progression. I respect that people want the focus to be on the new raids, hence why I suggested the newer content still provide better rewards than older content. I'm perfectly aware that I'm not going to get people together to do Savage progression for old raids. And I don't like that. Again, how can giving other people incentive to do older content and be rewarded for it be anything but good for the health of the game? Would you do it? No? I know that plenty of players who are new to Eorzea such as myself may very much want to experience old content properly scaled and providing some sort of reward upon successful progression.

And also, they would know better than to think that allowing us to do older content is a reason not to provide newer content. You're telling me you're fine with farming four bosses for a quarter of a year, and then never touching them again? Making older content rewarding for players to fill their time with is nothing but a positive in my eyes, and I fail to see how you could think otherwise and not due to lack of trying. I'm trying to understand what your line of thought it, but I'm not getting anywhere. It is NOT difficult to just scale rewards from older raids, so it wouldn't exactly eat up development time or anything. And it would allow players like myself to properly enjoy the work that Square Enix has provided.

Funny how you asked wether or not other people would like to see this aswell and now dont like to hear the answer "No, I dont."

Since you're new, you missed the backtracking-marathon that were the ARR and HW relics - grats on that! - but that pretty much made me not want to see any more backtracking.

I'm telling you I'm fine with this old content not offering any rewards beside the content itself - maybe the problem here is that I dont raid to raise my ilvl, but because I enjoy the fights and challenges (and the glamour - more than the ilvl) and I dont want to be "forced" to go back to do content that my static learned and cleared 3 years ago instead of spending half a year with 4 bosses that are at least new content.
And dont tell me "You dont have to, if you dont want to!" - because that means that the rewards arent worth it.

Lets take the current ilvl and gear as an example!
Lets say they add new Coil-gear at an ilvl of 360 (First Coil), 370 (Second Coil) and 380 (Final Coil), with a weekly lockout.
Would that be a true incentive for people to do this content?
I dont think so - there are easier ways to get gear of that ilvl; specially with the only really intresting one being 380, locked behind Final Coil - which in no way compares to the difficulty of Alpha NM when done synched. I know you havent done it. But trust me: It. doesnt. compare. You wont be able to clear it in DF. I tried. Just for fun. Got in, didnt even managed to survive the first minute of the fight.
So you'd need a static to get... 380 gear? That you can craft or buy of the market board or get from Eureka?

I'm "against" this because I'm trying to tell you that it doesnt/wouldnt work. And because I want to see less backtracking and more new content.

...and if "many people" want to experience this content properly, then it shouldnt be that hard to find like minded people, right?
Let me tell you something: During a content drought last year - between raidcycles - my static went back and cleared some Coil at minimum ilvl. We're also doing that on occassion with people who are new to the game, joined the FC and would now like to do it properly. We recently went back to get dyeable tank-coats from A8S for a friend and myself.
Maybe I'm lucky with my FC/friends/static, but I'm very much convinced that this is a question of finding the right people - not the right rewards. I like that this is content that I can go back to when I feel like it (...I just blackmail my static...) instead of content that I have to do yet again for half a year, every week.

[Ventimus]

Funny how you asked wether or not other people would like to see this aswell and now dont like to hear the answer "No, I dont."

Since you're new, you missed the backtracking-marathon that were the ARR and HW relics - grats on that! - but that pretty much made me not want to see any more backtracking.

I'm telling you I'm fine with this old content not offering any rewards beside the content itself - maybe the problem here is that I dont raid to raise my ilvl, but because I enjoy the fights and challenges (and the glamour - more than the ilvl) and I dont want to be "forced" to go back to do content that my static learned and cleared 3 years ago instead of spending half a year with 4 bosses that are at least new content.
And dont tell me "You dont have to, if you dont want to!" - because that means that the rewards arent worth it.

I'm "against" this because I'm trying to tell you that it doesnt/wouldnt work. And because I want to see less backtracking and more new content.

...and if "many people" want to experience this content properly, then it shouldnt be that hard to find like minded people, right?
Let me tell you something: During a content drought last year - between raidcycles - my static went back and cleared some Coil at minimum ilvl. We're also doing that on occassion with people who are new to the game, joined the FC and would now like to do it properly. We recently went back to get dyeable tank-coats from A8S for a friend and myself.
Maybe I'm lucky with my FC/friends/static, but I'm very much convinced that this is a question of finding the right people - not the right rewards. I like that this is content that I can go back to when I feel like it (...I just blackmail my static...) instead of content that I have to do yet again for half a year, every week.

Mainly because your reasoning as to why you don't want to see it is inadequate, and mostly based on your lack of faith in the developers ability to handle it. So, yeah, I don't like that answer.

And I've told you already, I'm not asking for content to be doable in DF. I could care less. More content for statics IS GOOD for the health of MMOs. I've explained to you that doing this properly doesn't take away development time, it's as simple as adjusting numbers.

And I've also told you that content that is not rewarding doesn't get done. I'm not sure what is so difficult about this concept to grasp. Basically, the way this is coming across is that you don't want it because you've already done it. So screw all the newcomers, shoulda been here sooner? I don't like that stance either, quite frankly. I don't know about how much experience you have in MMOs, but its quite literally the same in all of them. Content that is not rewarding gets ignored, period. And the fact of the matter is, that regardless of how fun or interesting a fight may be, if there's no reward for the effort then people won't try.

[Vidu]

Mainly because your reasoning as to why you don't want to see it is inadequate, and mostly based on your lack of faith in the developers ability to handle it. So, yeah, I don't like that answer.

It is adequate to me and I tried to explain to you why.
Probably should have stuck with "No, I would not like to see this" without further reasons - would have been enough of an answer to your original questions, even if its not an answer you like.