Just a random thought on WHM Asylum

[RulerOfPotaoes]

Meh just give it a 3-5% damage mitigation while standing inside it

[AleXwern]

Because of changes to ground AoEs last patch and how they work now, Asylym already instantly restores HP when put down (even though it's the usual tick amount)

[NobleWinter]

Sorry about being unclear. My version of Asylum would have no regen effect of it's own. It would only provide a 50% burst heal the first time a party member encounters the AoE and give them a slight increase on spell based healing received while they are in the effect area. It would basically be a second more powerful Assize on a longer cool down that increases your healing potency instead of dealing damage and restoring MP. I would love if all healers had party damage mitigation but I just don't get the feeling they will ever give this kind of tool to the WHM based on it's history. Stoneskin 2 couldn't be used in battle as a reference and it didn't make much impact in the first 30 seconds of any difficult fight.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Meh just give it a 3-5% damage mitigation while standing inside it

Personally I think Asylum is fine as is, but if I were trying to fix it, something as insignificant as 5% aoe mitigation would do nothing.

It's about time WHM has some real utility for the raid, why not give a sks/sps buff while inside, or even a kind of damage buff. Maybe even a TP/MP regen, there's a couple things you can do to make Asylum a bit more stronger.
If our cooldowns were way stronger, perhaps time reduction on Lilies would feel a lot better, because as it is I couldn't care less about getting Asylum and Assize a few seconds faster.

[Risvertasashi]

I'd disagree that WHM is lagging behind at all.

Lowest number of alphascape clears (not just the final fight anymore). Lowest DPS. AST meanwhile can solo heal ultimate.

Yep, WHM isn't lagging behind...

I don't think buffing Asylum is the right idea, though.

[Grimoire-M]

The way I read it was 50% HP regained upon moving in, as part of the first instant tick. Which is...no.

Really I think the best way to boost Asylum is to give it the CU treatment of applying a HoT buff in addition to the field HoT. I wouldn't apply any healing from the HoT buff on the instant tick upon entering (the field buff could still do that) but still refresh its duration by doing so. I'd reduce the field potency to compensate so that standing in it keeps it where it is when factoring in both the field HoT and the buff HoT. It heals a lot as is, but the main reason the skill isn't as good as it could be is the fact it doesn't tick on you unless you're inside it for the whole duration. If you could get partial value out of it just for moving in and out or even being able to refresh the HoT before the field disappeared it would be far better.

[Kurando]

Not sure how practical it would be, but what if Asylum reversed and increased the time limit of any party member's Confession for every second they are in the bubble. So essentially you could get up to an extra 24secs on top of the base Confession timer which means the WHM has a bigger window to throw out Plenary Indulgence later in the fight. Ok the timer could be much less and would need a lot of balancing to prevent abuse but could that compete with Indom and ES or would it be too OP?

[Mansion]

The problem of Asylum as discussed in this thread would be positionning in Extreme / Savage content. Mind me, Earthly Star is similar buf you don't have to stand in it for the whole duration of the effect, just like Collective Unconscious can now be popped as an oGCD and give a roughly 5sec shield to people around.
To get the proper effect of asylum, you need to stand in it, for up to 24 seconds. If you have a prey marker, a tower to take, a bump to prepare, a link to take/give, an AOE to avoid, then you are losing from the full potency of it.

Asylum as it is now is ok for dungeons, for Main Tank extra regen in all content, and it is risky as a raid regen for the same reasons I just listed (where a Medica II / Individual Regen / Fairy regen will do the same for less positioning requirements. It is a MP economy for the WHM but we know that MP is not so much of a problem for WHM with the current kit.

I'd rather have something similar to AST where you pass in the Asylum, get a regen buff and then move out as you wish, maybe have it reset if you go back in (but that is a bit tricky to handle with server ticks), as other people have said before

[NocturniaUzuki]

Lowest number of alphascape clears (not just the final fight anymore). Lowest DPS. AST meanwhile can solo heal ultimate.

Yep, WHM isn't lagging behind...

I don't think buffing Asylum is the right idea, though.

DPS is not a particularly good way to judge if a healer is strong or weak. Yes, DPS is important. But judge healer classes first and foremost on their ability to heal,

And in that respect, WHM is not lagging that much. WHM can solo heal Omega (Savage). It's quite likely that it can solo heal Ultimate as well, though that is simply conjecture on my part at the moment.

The real issue facing Asylum right now is not how strong or weak it is. It's the fact that you can't see it if you have allied effects set to "Limited". People stand in Earthly Star more than Asylum for a simple reason: they can see it.

[NocturniaUzuki]

The problem of Asylum as discussed in this thread would be positionning in Extreme / Savage content. Mind me, Earthly Star is similar buf you don't have to stand in it for the whole duration of the effect, just like Collective Unconscious can now be popped as an oGCD and give a roughly 5sec shield to people around.
To get the proper effect of asylum, you need to stand in it, for up to 24 seconds. If you have a prey marker, a tower to take, a bump to prepare, a link to take/give, an AOE to avoid, then you are losing from the full potency of it.

Asylum as it is now is ok for dungeons, for Main Tank extra regen in all content, and it is risky as a raid regen for the same reasons I just listed (where a Medica II / Individual Regen / Fairy regen will do the same for less positioning requirements. It is a MP economy for the WHM but we know that MP is not so much of a problem for WHM with the current kit.

I'd rather have something similar to AST where you pass in the Asylum, get a regen buff and then move out as you wish, maybe have it reset if you go back in (but that is a bit tricky to handle with server ticks), as other people have said before

I wouldn't be against having the buff have a shorter duration, but reset, kind of like AST shield. It is very much usable as is, though. The trouble is that it's not so usable by disorganized pugs. It is exceptionally useful on Panto 1 and 2. Except the pug strat for Panto 1 and 2 is generally executed in such a way that it looks like players are running around like chickens with their heads cut off. People run 10y away from the boss to eat their laser, instead of running the minimum distance necessary to stay alive. Likewise, people seem to believe they have to be on Midgardsormr's hitbox line to bait Crimson Breath. The amount of optimization lost on this is insane. People waste at least 2-3 GCDs each running Bulwark and Bait for no reason except lack of trust (or in some cases no reason at all). You can do the entirety of Panto 1/2 and Bulwark inside a WHM's Asylum. Hell, you can do it inside a BLM's Ley Lines for crying out loud. But people don't do it. Because they're averse to learning how to position more precisely. Here are some diagrams I have posted on my static strategy page that show this:

This image shows how to abuse what most people forget. Cones are smaller the closer you get to the boss. This has a plethora of other uses, by the way. Some random facts:

You can fit a grand total of 16 Earth Shakers around Midgardsormr on O10S.
You can cheese Tsukuyomi's Spear cleave when doing a tankless run by using Card and Intercard directions while standing very close to her midpoint. This typically prevents the randomized cleave(s) from double cleaving the whole party.
You can stay in Cure III range at all times as a tank while not cleaving the party.



And this image shows a strategy for staying in Asylum the entire time you're doing Panto 1 Lasers. Though reading it again I realize I forgot to mention in the description that you can just bait the yellow AoEs in the middle if you want. Alternatively, you could position 1 player per safe corner of the Asylum to avoid doubling them up.

On the same note, the "ring strat" mentioned here is a way to preserve casters' uptime during the Panto 1 missile baits by spreading out into two rings of 4 players. Since AoEs only spawn under 4 players, that gives each player a 50% chance of NOT having to move (and thus interrupt their cast) to avoid a missile.



And a final point of boss midpoints: The boss hitbox is a guide. It does not represent the boss' actual size. The boss' actual size is one pixel. If you are south of that one pixel, you are south of the boss. This means you can stack for Cure III and Asylum, etc. As a tank. While facing Nidhogg, etc, away from the party. It also means the concept of having the OT position NE or E is usually pointless. All the OT needs to do to swap from a position like S is cross the boss midpoint. Being prepared for this makes the transfer completely smooth.

You can also use boss midpoint knowledge to dodge things you are not intended to dodge. Remember Stone Vigil? Frost Breath? That attack has a cast time of approximately 0.5 seconds. If you react fast enough (or know when it casts), you can actually move from 1 pixel in front of the boss to behind the boss in less than 0.1 second, thereby avoiding the attack. This trick can be used to bring down the boss during synced DPS-only runs. That dungeon is probably duo-able by two skilled DPS (no Titan/Physick). Though I can't count myself among those skilled DPS myself.