Make relics have the same iLVL as the Raid weapons and released at the same time

[whiskeybravo]

I just want to point out again that you get a 390 tomestone weapon for basically no effort. How is that fair for people who are grinding the relic?

Yes, raid gear should be the best gear (for a while), but 385 is too weak. Why not 395? You still have the 400 and 405 weapons from raids wich are both better.

Why do you need a higher ilevel when you're not doing content that requires it.

[Kazgrel]

Why do you need a higher ilevel when you're not doing content that requires it.

“Muh numbers! I want bigger!”

[Tint]

“Muh numbers! I want bigger!”

Exactly.

That's what I pay my sub for, to run the never ending treadmill of increasing the numbers.

On a sidenote I think it's funny how people say "you don't need higher item level" but on the other hand "you need to improve" to deal more dps so a expert run doesn't take 30 mins. So I should improve to deal more dps but run around in the minimum item level I need to enter?

Increasing the numbers helps in every content, not only in raids. And stopping to increase the numbers means also to stop to improve your character and this leads to stop playing the game.

[whiskeybravo]

Exactly.

That's what I pay my sub for, to run the never ending treadmill of increasing the numbers.

On a sidenote I think it's funny how people say "you don't need higher item level" but on the other hand "you need to improve" to deal more dps so a expert run doesn't take 30 mins. So I should improve to deal more dps but run around in the minimum item level I need to enter?

Increasing the numbers helps in every content, not only in raids. And stopping to increase the numbers means also to stop to improve your character and this leads to stop playing the game.

Nah, good gear doesn't equal good damage. Bad rotation is still bad. I'll take a raider that has an undergeared alt over an overgeared casual player any day.

[Lumis_Arvalo]

Exactly.

That's what I pay my sub for, to run the never ending treadmill of increasing the numbers.

On a sidenote I think it's funny how people say "you don't need higher item level" but on the other hand "you need to improve" to deal more dps so a expert run doesn't take 30 mins. So I should improve to deal more dps but run around in the minimum item level I need to enter?

Increasing the numbers helps in every content, not only in raids. And stopping to increase the numbers means also to stop to improve your character and this leads to stop playing the game.

...assuming you're referring to me, you understand I was intentionally presenting a conflicting view to make a point, yes? I was refuting the claim that item level doesn't matter for content you aren't doing by pointing out that if that is the case item level as a mechanic shouldn't exist because everyone can potentially do everything in the bare minimum.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Exactly.

That's what I pay my sub for, to run the never ending treadmill of increasing the numbers.

On a sidenote I think it's funny how people say "you don't need higher item level" but on the other hand "you need to improve" to deal more dps so a expert run doesn't take 30 mins. So I should improve to deal more dps but run around in the minimum item level I need to enter?

Increasing the numbers helps in every content, not only in raids. And stopping to increase the numbers means also to stop to improve your character and this leads to stop playing the game.

When I can queue into Ridorana as a tank and be top five in DPS, gear is not the issue.

[Lumis_Arvalo]

Why do you need a higher ilevel when you're not doing content that requires it.

I agree, for the record, but to play devil's advocate nothing requires higher than an i380 weapon to complete it so why even have higher ilevels if that's the case?

[Vahlnir]

Why do you need a higher ilevel when you're not doing content that requires it.

Why do you care? Item levels end up about the same in the end anyway, with maybe a 5 item level difference on the weapons and maybe 1 accessory. People like their characters to get stronger. I'm assuming that's partly why people do higher end content to begin with.

but to play devil's advocate nothing requires higher than an i380 weapon to complete it so why even have higher ilevels if that's the case?

^

[whiskeybravo]

Why do you care? Item levels end up about the same in the end anyway, with maybe a 5 item level difference on the weapons and maybe 1 accessory. People like their characters to get stronger. I'm assuming that's partly why people do higher end content to begin with.

I care because rewards should scale with difficulty. Watching netflix while grinding out fate trains isn't difficult. You really want to play a game where people can bot their way to the best item level? I sure don't.

but to play devil's advocate nothing requires higher than an i380 weapon to complete it so why even have higher ilevels if that's the case?

If you have an exceptionally talented group then that's true. Otherwise the majority needs the cushion provided by higher level gear to have a decent chance of clearing.

[Zephera]

I care because rewards should scale with difficulty. Watching netflix while grinding out fate trains isn't difficult. You really want to play a game where people can bot their way to the best item level? I sure don't.

I agree with your point but what about the fact that people can get carried through hard content to higher item levels? They're not putting in effort but still reaping rewards.