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    Ok I understand what youre all saying but I am sticking to my belief that Pug has better DPS than Mar vs one target if they are both DDing.
    For he record yes Our wins usually take 9-10 mins, weve never did a 6 min fight so I was wrong in that.

    As I said before, its rare that my pug comes out on top, its usually the lancers that have the upper hand, (I don't dissagree with that) but never a Marauder.

    Perhaps you take the tank's DPS in ifrit as an example, cause Tanks don't have to run around avoiding erruptions etc so they can attack more.
    I still believe that if you get a Marauder and a Pug to DPS one Target Pug comes easily on top.

    I will download your parser Tachicoma thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meleena View Post
    Ok I understand what youre all saying but I am sticking to my belief that Pug has better DPS than Mar vs one target if they are both DDing.
    For he record yes Our wins usually take 9-10 mins, weve never did a 6 min fight so I was wrong in that.

    As I said before, its rare that my pug comes out on top, its usually the lancers that have the upper hand, (I don't dissagree with that) but never a Marauder.

    Perhaps you take the tank's DPS in ifrit as an example, cause Tanks don't have to run around avoiding erruptions etc so they can attack more.
    I still believe that if you get a Marauder and a Pug to DPS one Target Pug comes easily on top.

    I will download your parser Tachicoma thanks.
    It's a moot point since 1.20 is tomorrow, but I suggest that, for your own benefit as well as your linkshell's, you should try to reorient your perspective on the damage-dealing capabilities of a class. There are two guiding principles to keep in mind:

    1. How good is someone at pushing the right buttons at the right time? (skill)
    2. What is the absolute damage ceiling of the class he or she is playing?

    For most groups and most people, #1 is far more important than #2.

    There are two reasons to take a MRD over PGL in 1.19: Maim (the debuff, if used by other DPS in the party correctly, outweighs the benefit of one person, the PGL, doing higher damage with Victimize because of the debuff bonus); and slightly higher auto-attack range to mitigate Sear. Otherwise, honestly, there should be nothing keeping a PGL from rocking 25+ DPS on an Ifrit fight in which he doesn't fly too much. For personal DPS, Victimize can average a lot higher than Maim if more than one or two debuffs are being applied on a regular basis.

    The main thing we want to impart to the community is that there's a difference between min/maxing and general practicality. We (my linkshell) are always going to be pushing the boundaries of min/maxing, but practically speaking, just because we bring all LNCs to a fight (or all whatever other class) doesn't mean other people need to do the same thing.

    So rock on, PGLs/MNKs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carraway View Post
    The main thing we want to impart to the community is that there's a difference between min/maxing and general practicality. We (my linkshell) are always going to be pushing the boundaries of min/maxing, but practically speaking, just because we bring all LNCs to a fight (or all whatever other class) doesn't mean other people need to do the same thing.
    Lies! Blasphemy and lies!
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