The whale mount is up on Mogstation

[Skivvy]

How have people fallen for it? If people have $30 dollars to spend on something and they want to spend it, they'll spend it. They didn't fall for anything unless all of the sudden the price at checkout somehow bumps up to $60.

What people do with their own money doesn't affect you as a consumer. Someone spending $100 in a grocery store on select items that you may think might be too pricey for the brand does not affect you, someone spending $30 on a virtual whale still does not affect you either. It's not your place to judge or butt in.

It all sets a trend. Companies test the waters to see what they can get away with, and if sales are good, they will continue with that course and possibly add more to it later. If it works well for them, other companies may follow. It's been the same with the cash shop. It started "small", then emotes started getting tossed in. Music entered the scene at some point. Holiday items got added. MSQ skipping books and level potions are the more recent additions. It's all slow, but it creeps. When people grab new items instantly, it shows a pattern and lets the company that the pricing/item is acceptable.

So yeah, I get the point they're making, and I don't disagree. I just can't spare the concern anymore when it comes to XIV. I've turned quite apathetic :P

[MomomiMomi]

No one is falling for it, if people want to spend their money, they'll do it. And guess what? They don't care what you want at all because it's not your money.

If you can get the same service for less price by not biting, but instead pay a higher price when it's offered, then yes, you have fallen for it.

[Sigma-Astra]

If you can get the same service for less price by not biting, but instead pay a higher price, then yes, you have fallen for it.

Less price on what? Last I checked, using the Mogstation didn't raise your sub fee. You can't control what other people want or do with themselves, and getting yourself angry over it doesn't do you any good nor does insulting them either by calling them whales or whatever else people use nowadays.

You don't buy it if you don't like it, but there's literally no point in getting upset when other people do and they don't owe you anything to think about not buying it either if it's what they initially want.

They weren't tricked into buying it, they saw it, had $30 to buy it, bought it, and that's the end of the story whether you liked the idea of them buying it or not.

It's weird to see so many people this bent out of shape and controlling about what other people do with their own money when they're literally like....thousands of miles away from each other.

[BlitzAceRush]

But what you're paying for has changed. The goal posts have been moved, and people just accept it.

I mean yes and no, in the past you couldn't have bought the whale because there wasn't cash shops, but that also doesn't mean the whale would have existed. They could have just not made the whale at all, feeling it wasn't worth the dev time then no one gets the whale.
Yes things have changed, sub mmo's can have cash shops now, but you can't know if the whale would have been made if they couldn't have charged for it.
The whale is a mount, there are many other mounts and other two-seaters, you don't have to buy it, personally I did, because I liked it, I got exactly what I paid for, a whale mount, I was not lied to or "scammed" I was asked if I'd pay for a mount, said yes, got the mount.
I could flip this around and say "X MMO is free to play, so 14 shouldn't have a sub, all you people who pay for 14 are being "scammed" because another game dose this for free"
If someone offers you something for money and you can afford it and chose to buy it, it's not a scam, prices go up all the time, sometimes people say "No, that's too much" if enough do they lower it again, if enough are willing and still find it worth the value the price stays the same, clearly in this case SE has found the latter to be true, but that dose not equal a "scam" people made a choice, a choice they are free to make.

[Sigma-Astra]

It all sets a trend. Companies test the waters to see what they can get away with, and if sales are good, they will continue with that course and possibly add more to it later. If it works well for them, other companies may follow. It's been the same with the cash shop. It started "small", then emotes started getting tossed in. Music entered the scene at some point. Holiday items got added. MSQ skipping books and level potions are the more recent additions. It's all slow, but it creeps. When people grab new items instantly, it shows a pattern and lets the company that the pricing/item is acceptable.

So yeah, I get the point they're making, and I don't disagree. I just can't spare the concern anymore when it comes to XIV. I've turned quite apathetic :P

I suppose, but it's out of people's hands for the longest of time. You literally cannot stop people from buying something that they may want. It's a pointless and futile endeavor to be angry over at the people. SE and the Cash Shop? Sure, go ahead. But, at the people buying said things? It just makes you look petty honestly, imo, lol.

[MomomiMomi]

I suppose, but it's out of people's hands for the longest of time. You literally cannot stop people from buying something that they may want. It's a pointless and futile endeavor to be angry over at the people. SE and the Cash Shop? Sure, go ahead. But, at the people buying said things? It just makes you look petty honestly, imo, lol.

Business just follow the trends. They're doing what makes them money. Can't be angry at them for that. It's the consumers who set the trends.

And I'm not angry at any individual people. It's consumers in general who are disappointing. They have lost sight of consumer responsibility to themselves. It's a consumer's responsibility to get businesses to offer them the best deals. Not the business's.

[Sigma-Astra]

Business just follow the trends. They're doing what makes them money. Can't be angry at them for that. It's the consumers who set the trends.

That's a hypocritical stance and very contradicting of you disliking the existence of the Cash Shop entirely, but yet not finding the fault of the blame on SE and instead placing it on the players. If you're not okay with people buying items, then you shouldn't be okay with the idea of the Cash Shop existing either.

People wouldn't be spending $30 on a whale mount if the Cash Shop didn't exist.

And who made the Cash Shop, I wonder....certainly not us, unless a few choice people on the forums want to come clean that they were the web designers and coders who implemented the Cash Shop as an e-commerce. :O

It's a consumer's responsibility to get businesses to offer them the best deals. Not the business's.

Uh...that's not entirely how economics works. It is the business's job to offer the best deals towards their customers in order to retain a higher turnaround of customer satisfaction and larger, gross profits margins...and I'd say that the customer turnaround for satisfaction regarding the Cash Shop is meeting that quota, as well as the profits margins for continuing to offer different items. The Cash Shop is an e-commerce website and it is doing exactly what it is suppose to be doing regardless.

When I shop online, I go to Amazon.com because they offer the better deals on most things. That is their job or people wouldn't be shopping there.

That's not to say that anything on the Cash Shop could be considered a deal, but it's the only place where you can buy said items, so without any competition, it is what it is.

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

It's very interesting. A lot of the people who complain about Mog Station mounts not being available in-game do not appear to be mount collectors to any significant degree if one takes a peek at their character's lodestone profile.

I want more mounts in-game instead of on Mogstation.

[Zephera]

And I'm not angry at any individual people. It's consumers in general who are disappointing. They have lost sight of consumer responsibility to themselves. It's a consumer's responsibility to get businesses to offer them the best deals. Not the business's.

Like it or not, people will take this as an attack against themselves because you're tarring with a broad brush.

[Skivvy]

I want more mounts in-game instead of on Mogstation.

In my perfect (subscription) game, all mounts/glamours/items would be obtainable in-game. RIP the old days. ._.;