Why do the Scions seem so incompetent?

[MetalSnakeXI1]

Minfillia is how we get Krile and how we even know a whole island of other scholary types got dead. So if you really want to blame anyone for any interest in Eureka it's Minfillia's fault. We interrupted her LS talks with probably Krile a few times. Also Urianger fights during the we need to rescue the scions post waking sands attack. I blame her being kidnapped a second time on Midgarsomer as he had just put that block on our blessing of light which is stated as to why Nabrialas could just teleport into her chamber.

So we can blame Minfillia for Eureka then xD.

As for the second kidnapping.....you're kinda right.But considering that Elidibus walked in an out before Nabriales came in,she shouldn't have been entrusted with something like Tupsimati if her method of protecting the staff is....staring at it

Not to mention,the end result of Midgardsormr's blocking was imo worth the trouble

[DPZ2]

Thoughts:

People seem to be annoyed about so-called Fetch Quests early on in ARR without realizing that

• without them, we stick around the Waking Sands and nothing much happens in-game
• we learn more about the world and its lore by going out and doing what we might consider stupid stuff while some of us breeze past the non-MSQ quest text, not realizing that the alternative is nothing but cut-scenes full of exposition where nothing much happens in-game
• we really weren't considered to be the 'Warrior of Light' until pretty much the end of the 2.0 storyline -- instead, we were on the same level as other members of the Scions, including A'aba Tia and Arenvald: adventurers, not the lesser deities some might think they are while playing the game.

Minfilia was a leader of an organization that was fairly large. As such, it was her job to stick around the Waking Sands and perform all of the boring bits of leadership that, thankfully, we don't have to endure because we don't have to stick around the Waking Sands doing nothing for the rest of the game. Would you really want to sit through cut-scenes where nothing much happens except Minfilia doing those 'leadership tasks'?

We move out of the Waking Sands because it was compromised, and there was a conscious decision to move away from being dependent on the Syndicate in Ul'dah in favor of a more, um, Eorzean-for-all stance.

We should admire Minfilia because the Archons admire her and depend on her. And because, at the end of the day, she befriended us and extended a hand to us that made life more interesting in this game.

[DPZ2]

... ,she shouldn't have been entrusted with something like Tupsimati if her method of protecting the staff is....

So you, as Warrior of Light, immediately knew how special the stone bound to the staff was, and all of the Archons missed it?

No-one knew it for more than a memorial to a great man, including his grandchildren.

You're playing Monday-morning quarterback, and it's already Tuesday ...

[MetalSnakeXI1]

So you, as Warrior of Light, immediately knew how special the stone bound to the staff was, and all of the Archons missed it?

No-one knew it for more than a memorial to a great man, including his grandchildren.

You're playing Monday-morning quarterback, and it's already Tuesday ...

Well I didn't knew but at least the archons,especially Papalymo who claims to be "Louisoux's finest student" should've probably known that the staff that was used to channel the Twelves themselves to seal an elder primal would be special

[ObsidianFire]

No one knows that because Louisoix for all intents and purposes died at Cartenau. No one actually knew what he really did at Cartenau, except the WoL maybe, and that would be due to Echo shenanigans. There's reasons why what Papalymo does to Shinryu is slightly different then what Louisoix does. He's going of Louisoix's research about it, but not the actually spell.

We see Minfilia calling up the Students of Baldesion several times to ask them to find out information about primals and Ascians and the Rejoining. It's implied (at the time) that the Ise of Val was taken out due to the Students of Baldesion finding out too much information about what the Ascians were really up too and the Ascians didn't want Minfillia and the Scions learning about it. For me a least, that was enough "show, don't tell" of Minfillia collecting information for me to think she does it when we aren't there. It was also enough to convince me that I really didn't want to watch quests' worth of cutscenes of her doing more of it.

[MetalSnakeXI1]

No one knows that because Louisoix for all intents and purposes died at Cartenau. No one actually knew what he really did at Cartenau, except the WoL maybe, and that would be due to Echo shenanigans. There's reasons why what Papalymo does to Shinryu is slightly different then what Louisoix does. He's going of Louisoix's research about it, but not the actually spell.

We see Minfilia calling up the Students of Baldesion several times to ask them to find out information about primals and Ascians and the Rejoining. It's implied (at the time) that the Ise of Val was taken out due to the Students of Baldesion finding out too much information about what the Ascians were really up too and the Ascians didn't want Minfillia and the Scions learning about it. For me a least, that was enough "show, don't tell" of Minfillia collecting information for me to think she does it when we aren't there. It was also enough to convince me that I really didn't want to watch quests' worth of cutscenes of her doing more of it.

Fair enough....cuz I don't want an excessive amount of quest quantity like the lead up to Garuda in ARR.

Hmmmm.......I'm gonna look back on past events from ARR and 1.0 a bit more since some details are escaping me.

My dislike of Minfillia may not change but I wanna remember more of what she did

[Simba_Tia]

Because at the end of the day, Minphillia is essentially a fire chief. Really her main responsibility is delegating what needs to be done in a broad sense. She assigns someone a broad task then its that person that's supposed to figure out how to implement it. We also don't see what she's doing cause the stuff she would be dealing with would be a far worse hell than going on fetch quests. Even a few lines explaining her role would be insufficient to explain it all. I don't think we need anymore life of Tataru going on.