Moderate Latency (150~) + Impacts of Double Weaving

[Kitfox]

You're just supposed to use one oGCD between each GCD during Wildfire/Overheat, I don't see any problem with it. It's really dynamic and fun if used properly. You have to use Reassemble at the right moment when you have to use Clean Shot according to your proc during the Wildfire/Overheat window to make it worth because you can only use one oGCD and not 2. You have to take your decision quickly, that's a part of why it's fun.

No. This is what you're supposed to do: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

And just because you're using 1 ogcd between gcds with Rapid Fire doesn't mean it's easier because of this:
- 1.5 gcd + ogcd: 1.5 - 0.75 - 0.75 = 0s room for latency
- 2.5 gcd + 2x ogcd: 2.5 - 0.75 - 2 x 0.75 = 0.25s room for latency

If double weaving is a problem (and you do need to double weave in OHWF), Rapid Fire weaves are an even bigger problem.

[lulunami]

You want to double weave on SMN in the opener for buff alignment later on in the fight (i.e. you want to Tri-Disaster and Deathflare with personal buffs and party buffs expiring at certain points in the rotation). Double weaving becomes less important later on, but it is still more optimal to do so if possible.

MCH is the worst job to play optimally with bad ping. I have 30-40 ms server latency and I notice immediately when I get a lag spike during Wildfire. Rapid Fire results in lots of GCD clipping if you start lagging.

You generally want to avoid high APM jobs that require double weaving such as BRD/NIN if you have very high latency. Jobs with less oGCDs and slower GCDs are more manageable. BLM can be okay with higher ping, but you may get weird MP tick or Astral Fire/Umbral Ice transition issues.

[Fannah]

No. This is what you're supposed to do: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

And just because you're using 1 ogcd between gcds with Rapid Fire doesn't mean it's easier because of this:
- 1.5 gcd + ogcd: 1.5 - 0.75 - 0.75 = 0s room for latency
- 2.5 gcd + 2x ogcd: 2.5 - 0.75 - 2 x 0.75 = 0.25s room for latency

If double weaving is a problem (and you do need to double weave in OHWF), Rapid Fire weaves are an even bigger problem.

Where did you get that one action is animation locked at 0.75sec?
The this is what i'm supposed to do leads me to a gigantic guide book, so please be more specific. "0.75" reasearch leads me to nothing, and Rapid Fire only leads me to "but since this is a shortened rotation it doesn’t actually result in further dps loss unless you have very low skill speed and lag a lot during Rapid Fire."
And laging or not doesn't change that you will still hit quicker than without Rapid Fire, so it's still a gain even with high ping. And too high ping is a loss anyway whatever the class you're playing.

[Kitfox]

The this is what i'm supposed to do leads me to a gigantic guide book, so please be more specific.

I linked a guide to proper rotations because you suggested that MCH only does single weaves during OHWF window, this is incorrect. You do 2x double weaves and 2-3x single weaves depending if you have Overload/Heartbreak ready. You also don't time your Reassemble on your proc, you time your procs on your Reassemble, which is always used at the same ogcd slot with the same timing. Because you "did not see any problem with it", I wanted to point out that there most definitely is a problem if you can't double weave, because you absolutely must, and that even the single weaves pose a problem most other classes don't have to worry about.

I think having the proper understanding of the class and the rotations is important before making assumptions such as yours, because they're exactly the reason why SE is unable to see the problems in their own class design and why the job is still broken after well over a year of updates to other classes.

Where did you get that one action is animation locked at 0.75sec?

Average animation lock for most abilities is around 0.70-0.75s in good latency conditions and it's the average most commonly used in theory crafting. It has been tested time and again, and you can gather evidence about it yourself by going through video footage. I had the small equations there to back up my argument that the single weaves during Rapid Fire are worse than double weaves, because your argument seemed to rely on the point that single weaves would somehow be easier to do than double weaves, this is incorrect under Rapid Fire.

...and Rapid Fire only leads me to "but since this is a shortened rotation it doesn’t actually result in further dps loss unless you have very low skill speed and lag a lot during Rapid Fire."

This quote has nothing to do with Rapid Fire and more to do with the gcd uptime lost due to FT+WF double weave, which is more like a triple weave when accounting for 2 ticks of FT.

And too high ping is a loss anyway whatever the class you're playing.

Obviously, but MCH doesn't even require a lot of lag to become unplayable, even the smallest amount has a very large effect compared to most other classes. There's also no way to adjust the rotation to single weaves due to how tight the Wildfire and Overheat windows are, while many other jobs can.

[Fannah]

I linked a guide to proper rotations because you suggested that MCH only does single weaves during OHWF window, this is incorrect. You do 2x double weaves and 2-3x single weaves depending if you have Overload/Heartbreak ready.

Oh, there was a misunderstanding, I've quote your part about Rapid Fire before writing my part, and I just meant there was only one oGCD between each GCD of Rapid fire during the WF/OH window, I thought it was obvious x)
On my computer with my ping, I more feel it's like 0.6 sec, that's why I'm asking if your 0.75 was official or an average thing like you said.
I'll answer later to the other points, I don't have much time rn and mainly came now to clear the misunderstanding.