Moderate Latency (150~) + Impacts of Double Weaving

[SleepyNeko]

After looking around the forums for DPS that is good with a high latency, these are the common responses:

SAM/BLM - Least affected
MNK - Moderately affected
RDM/DRG - Abit more moderately affected
NIN/BRD - Don't even try.
SMN/MCH - Didn't see any responses so no idea.

I'm getting into the DPS role and have raided with BRD/NIN/MNK/SAM. With 150 ping I cannot fit 2 ogcds most of the time without clipping into the next gcd.

So my questions are:
How much damage am I losing if I don't strictly follow the optimal openers and just try to spread everything out evenly (single weave everything), over the entire fight.

Second, are dragoons really that dependent on double weaving? I've looked at the CPM for DRG and it is fairly low for most fights.

Should I just play whatever class I want and single weave everything or change to a slower class like DRG/BLM? (All my friends are playing SAM already).

[Kitfox]

Don't play MCH with high ping. It will be absolutely hopeless until SE fixes the class. Not only is double weaving important, Rapid Fire will make weaving ogcds even worse.

[Zerathor]

You'll be losing a good ammount if you can't double weave. Both from cds drifting out of burst windows, and just delaying your damage output by a good margin.

Also smn is a lot of double weaving in the opener, but it doesn't have as many later on. But still a decent ammount of double weaves.

Blm may work out for you well, as the high latency will increase your ability to slide cast a bit, as long as you don't have bad packet loss as well. Bad packet loss will nuke your rotation on every job.

[XiXiQ]

I'd say pick something you like that only uses single oCDs, blm/rdm for example, but still expect to be down 10% on dps even if you're perfect.

[Zerathor]

I'd say pick something you like that only uses single oCDs, blm/rdm for example, but still expect to be down 10% on dps even if you're perfect.

I don't think it'd be 10% bad on blm. I can't think of any points in standard opener or rotation having double weaves.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

DRG's rotation is slow enough you generally won't have much issues with clipping even at a high latency, though you can more limit double weaving. That being said, you should try to play something you still enjoy. If DRG isn't your forte, you aren't going to enjoy the game as much feeling forced to play it.

[SleepyNeko]

I personally prefer melees that is why I wanted to ask about DRG, also the fancy moves and armor is a nice bonus too.

[Fannah]

Not only is double weaving important, Rapid Fire will make weaving ogcds even worse.

You're just supposed to use one oGCD between each GCD during Wildfire/Overheat, I don't see any problem with it. It's really dynamic and fun if used properly. You have to use Reassemble at the right moment when you have to use Clean Shot according to your proc during the Wildfire/Overheat window to make it worth because you can only use one oGCD and not 2. You have to take your decision quickly, that's a part of why it's fun.

[zuzu-bq]

I'd say pick something you like that only uses single oCDs, blm/rdm for example, but still expect to be down 10% on dps even if you're perfect.

Latency isn't that big of an impact on overall damage at any job. One of the best BLMs in the world said he plays at 160ms last time I asked he was asked about it.

[Kitfox]

You're just supposed to use one oGCD between each GCD during Wildfire/Overheat, I don't see any problem with it. It's really dynamic and fun if used properly. You have to use Reassemble at the right moment when you have to use Clean Shot according to your proc during the Wildfire/Overheat window to make it worth because you can only use one oGCD and not 2. You have to take your decision quickly, that's a part of why it's fun.

No. This is what you're supposed to do: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

And just because you're using 1 ogcd between gcds with Rapid Fire doesn't mean it's easier because of this:
- 1.5 gcd + ogcd: 1.5 - 0.75 - 0.75 = 0s room for latency
- 2.5 gcd + 2x ogcd: 2.5 - 0.75 - 2 x 0.75 = 0.25s room for latency

If double weaving is a problem (and you do need to double weave in OHWF), Rapid Fire weaves are an even bigger problem.