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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    An official parser would do more harm than good because of how people are. I have nothing against the idea of a parser, but I know how people can be. And this is something that shouldn't happen officially. The game needs to do a better job at teaching people what they're doing wrong though, there's no doubt about that.
    "I know how people can be" will never not be an anecdote. I grant you that it's your opinion, and your anecdote can fuel your opinion; it's just not a very convincing argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    "I know how people can be" will never not be an anecdote. I grant you that it's your opinion, and your anecdote can fuel your opinion; it's just not a very convincing argument.
    Yet it's still a sound argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    Yet it's still a sound argument.
    Well, it's a deeply paternalistic argument that can be easily extended to an indefinite number of other features, ultimately claiming that any kind of interaction between players should be banned because of how it can potentially result in harrassment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    Yet it's still a sound argument.
    Let's explore this a bit.

    If your argument is:

    A misused tool is more damaging than it is helpful. Toxic people will misuse tools. Therefore, toxic people misusing the tool will cause more damage than the tool can help people.

    It's valid. If the premises are true, then yes, your conclusion is also true.

    It is not, however, sound. You cannot prove the first premise, that a misused tool is more damaging than it is helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    Let's explore this a bit.

    If your argument is:

    A misused tool is more damaging than it is helpful. Toxic people will misuse tools. Therefore, toxic people misusing the tool will cause more damage than the tool can help people.

    It's valid. If the premises are true, then yes, your conclusion is also true.

    It is not, however, sound. You cannot prove the first premise, that a misused tool is more damaging than it is helpful.
    My experiences from other games (WoW being the biggest one) tell me that the potential for abuse could be quite high. You're right, I don't know that for sure. But judging from what I've seen in the past? Yeah, I'd bet gil on it. People will be people. Always.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    My experiences from other games (WoW being the biggest one) tell me that the potential for abuse could be quite high. You're right, I don't know that for sure. But judging from what I've seen in the past? Yeah, I'd bet gil on it. People will be people. Always.
    Will people abuse it? Yes.

    Will enough people abuse it that it outweighs the benefits of having it? I don't know, and you don't either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    Will people abuse it? Yes.

    Will enough people abuse it that it outweighs the benefits of having it? I don't know, and you don't either.
    Well, we can at least agree on that. Fair enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
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    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.