Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

That reminds me of a library run I had where the healer told the tank before the gate when down to go crazy with the pulling. So, the gate went down and the tank went and did just that. At first the healer wasn't healing the tank and we kill the first set and the healer get's all you gonna wait for protect now? The poor tank is like what? You told me to go pull so I did. The dungeon continues on and it seems like everything is fine until the healer let the tank die on the second pull and I was a bit shocked because the only thing I saw that could have been wrong was a monster went after the healer during the pull. Nope that wasn't it it was the whole not waiting for protect after the gate was down. They kept at it for a bit and I had gotten tired of the arguing and asked if we could go on. The healer thought everyone was on their side so after my failed kick of the healer post wipe to the first boss after they had kicked the tank I left. The healer also thought the tank was the one with the attitude problem.

Serious question: does Protect even reduce that much damage? I mean, I'm sure it helps, but getting pissy about someone not waiting for Protect sounds silly.

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

Btw, this fight was long enough that the dps check came out twice and we were probably about to get it a third time at the rate we went. In short, I played nigh perfectly during that boss, the tank was retarded, the healer should learn what esuna is and regens, and I am sorry bard but you were my lowest priority but I think you were the reason I ever had any mana. But honestly, learn to comm your red mage when you guys want to stand in pools of ice like idiots.

Thank you, this had been my Ted Talk.

The DPS check happens more than once? I figured it'd just loop the mist/divebombs and raidwide AOEs.

I mean, I love getting a RDM that actually Mana Shifts and helps Raise. They’re such a rarity in DF/PF. If I know they’re doing one or the either, it’s usually an automatic commendation from me if I’m on healer.

I wish more people thought this way. Really sucks spending a ton of time Raising only to get no acknowledgement.

[HyoMinPark]

Serious question: does Protect even reduce that much damage? I mean, I'm sure it helps, but getting pissy about someone not waiting for Protect sounds silly.

I believe it’s +15% DEF/M.DEF—
I just used it on my AST that has 2224 DEF/3886 M.DEF normally; Protect gave me 2557/4468, respectively.

In dungeons, it won’t matter too much because most dungeons just don’t hit hard enough. But it can really help when you’re progressing Savage/Ultimate because things actually hit hard in there (Savage when you’re progressing in mostly crafted, and Ultimate just in general). I actually died a couple times in UwU because I didn’t have Protect recast on me after a death, and BRD’s Magic Defense is sad, so the Protect in there is much appreciated (like VIT melds are, too lol).

However, I get annoyed sometimes when tanks run off without it because I don’t want to waste an in-combat GCD on Protect; I’d rather use the GCD on something else. Really depends on my mood, though.

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

Ah, I see. Good to know!

[jcfoster11]

I believe it’s +15% DEF/M.DEF—
I just used it on my AST that has 2224 DEF/3886 M.DEF normally; Protect gave me 2557/4468, respectively.

To expand on this a bit, that 15% defense boost doesn't directly mean 15% damage reduction. I took this out into the field (have to make all that halgai farming worth *something* ...) and compared my RDM with 3635 MDef to my WAR's 5410, and saw that the halgais' Aero was hitting me for 1821 on average on RDM, but only 1321 on WAR -- about a 27% difference for that extra 1775 defense rating.

I didn't have a healer with me for Protect, but if I did, I'd expect the extra 811 defense (15% of 5410) to give another 12.5% damage reduction.... so I guess it *does* get close to 1:1, now that I've napkin'd it out.

(And yes, I'm sure there's more comprehensive research out there -- I just don't normally think about it until after I've done my own numbers, lol.)

[van_arn]

Serious question: does Protect even reduce that much damage? I mean, I'm sure it helps, but getting pissy about someone not waiting for Protect sounds silly.

Not really. Sometimes when I'm feeling particularly malicious I just don't protect parties on my scholar. If you're doing something with massive wombos coming in you'd see a difference then, though.

You can't even feel a difference in healing normal-mode content with it on or off. Try it sometime.

[RokkuEkkusu]

I just want to give a shout out to all of those Suzaku EX farm parties who had to put up with me when I was going for the PLD weapons as Mikeru Takeuchi. Finally got it in 38 runs.

As the same character, I also want to give a shout out to the Lakshmi EX farm party I was in. Most of the time, we usually being Lakshmi's health below 10 percent, with 6 percent being the lowest. It's not the best by most standards, but I'll take what I got, be satisfied with the wins I racked up, and be thankful for the group I was blessed with. It was an honor fighting with you all.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Had quite the gem in a Suzaku farm party tonight.

Everything goes relatively until we pass her transition phase. I, on Warrior, pop CDs for Phantom Flurry yet proceed to hit the floor anyway. This persists for both myself and my Dark Knight co-tank as we die twice each—despite rotating cooldowns. In my case, I only ever one vul stack, which has never been an issue in the past. Afterwards, when I bring up these repeated death, the Astro points out I never had a shield. Turns out the Scholar only used Adlo for random autos, never bothered with it for the buster itself and relied entirely on Succor. Funny thing about that, it never hit me once. Even better, they were Physick spamming me through the actual hits. No Excog, Lustrate or Fey Union. When this got pointed out, they insisted they were shielding (my magic abacus says otherwise) and blamed the one vul stack... even though I died to the very first Buster... as in the one before colors even happens. They then blamed my gear. Yes, my i380 overmelded crafted gear was totally a problem for Suzaku EX.

That wasn't the best part. No, that came when their Ninja friend promptly chimed in, saying I should have used Anticipation. Vengeance and Rampart didn't save me, but that 30% Parry would have been a real game changer! I'm sure of it.

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

Had quite the gem in a Suzaku farm party tonight.

Everything goes relatively until we pass her transition phase. I, on Warrior, pop CDs for Phantom Flurry yet proceed to hit the floor anyway. This persists for both myself and my Dark Knight co-tank as we die twice each—despite rotating cooldowns. In my case, I only ever one vul stack, which has never been an issue in the past. Afterwards, when I bring up these repeated death, the Astro points out I never had a shield. Turns out the Scholar only used Adlo for random autos, never bothered with it for the buster itself and relied entirely on Succor. Funny thing about that, it never hit me once. Even better, they were Physick spamming me through the actual hits. No Excog, Lustrate or Fey Union. When this got pointed out, they insisted they were shielding (my magic abacus says otherwise) and blamed the one vul stack... even though I died to the very first Buster... as in the one before colors even happens. They then blamed my gear. Yes, my i380 overmelded crafted gear was totally a problem for Suzaku EX.

That wasn't the best part. No, that came when their Ninja friend promptly chimed in, saying I should have used Anticipation. Vengeance and Rampart didn't save me, but that 30% Parry would have been a real game changer! I'm sure of it.

Not even Raw Intuition, just ANTICIPATION makes this.

Unfortunately I've come across way too many healers that don't realize CDs aren't some magic "I can't die" button outside of actual invulns and just ignore healing/dps through tankbusters then try to pin their failures on the tank. Mitigation is a two way street.

[Ilenya]

That wasn't the best part. No, that came when their Ninja friend promptly chimed in, saying I should have used Anticipation. Vengeance and Rampart didn't save me, but that 30% Parry would have been a real game changer! I'm sure of it.

I've not run Ex primals in ages, but...

H-how many cooldowns does the ninja think you need to use per tankbuster...?