Things to think about before you call someone "Bad"

[van_arn]

Bit harsh don't you think? Have you not considered that players tend to prioritise quests? The various novice hall lessons are not presented as quests so a player may dismiss it thinking quests would be a better source of gear and xp. I have actually met players who did this.

Also Sastasha isn't so difficult that a tank can't be given tips to ease the progress in the dungeon. I have seen sprout tanks do much better in just one pull from listening to quick tips they were given. If the tank refuses to acknowledge the tips, then yea kick them.

But god give the baby sprouts a chance, jeez. Sastasha is the first dungeon, you really need to accept that you're going to encounter clueless players in there sometimes. Very unrealistic expectations if you expect every sprout to have a solid understanding of their role when it's possible that they have done zero group content up to that point.

Hm, I think I might have... oh.

I'll happily kick a gladiator in sastasha that doesn't use flash and does not respond to party chat -- in fact I have -- and no amount of muh feels will be enough to make that not happen.

Maybe people should stop making such vague excuses for bad players? I'm not advocating being negative towards players who fall into that category, but making excuses and trying to justify bad play isn't exactly a healthy solution.

This is the official forums, where it's mean to expect higher than autoattack-tier damage because pushing buttons is elitist.

[Penthea]

This is the official forums, where it's mean to expect higher than autoattack-tier damage because pushing buttons is elitist.

The opposite is also true. I have seen in many threads a lot of people acting as if it's perfectly acceptable to instantly kick people for daring to be only average in non-savage content. A lot of opinions regarding player performance are quite extreme on both ends. This is why the debates tend to get very heated.

[van_arn]

The opposite is also true. I have seen in many threads a lot of people acting as if it's perfectly acceptable to instantly kick people for daring to be only average in non-savage content. A lot of opinions regarding player performance are quite extreme on both ends. This is why the debates tend to get very heated.

If they have the votes, that's the party's decision. Perfectly fine, inevitable, and with enough finality there's no counter once it's gone through.

It only persists on the forums because couldashouda lives here. Ingame, the vote itself is final.