Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[kikix12]

And while doing some searching this morning, I found someone doing the math and saying it can even be a DPS gain on 2+.

It's not really a complicated math or anything. Holy on two enemies is 380 potency/3sec so 126,(6)/sec, while Stone IV is 250/2,5sec so 100/sec. That's a 26% increase in DPS.

That being said, it's 2,4MP/1 point of potency for Stone while it is ~6,32MP/1 point of potency for Holy.

That means that for 26% increase you use 260% of the amount of MP. If you're using Thin Air...by all means, Holy Spam is the way to go against 2+ mobs, no questions asked. If not...you may want to conserve some casts. Casting two or three is not a problem, you will restore most MP from that in-between pulls, but spamming to low MP radius should be avoided outside of large number of mobs where the time saved is very significant. Lucid Dreaming and Assize cannot keep up with Holy spam in MP regeneration.

PS: Holy potency/sec based on number of foes is:

   1   /    2    /  3  /    4    /     5    /  6  /   +1
66,(6) / 126.(6) / 180 / 226,(6) /  266.(6) / 300 / +33.(3)

Holy MP/1 potency based on number of foes is:

 1 /   2   /   3   /   4   / 5 /   6   /  7  /  8
12 / ~6.32 / 4,(4) / ~3,53 / 3 / 2,(6) / 2,4 / 2,(18)

I'm of course talking about base values, which never actually happen. As spell speed increases, the cast and recast are affected getting the proportions out of whack, but the advantages and disadvantages of Stone VS Holy are so severe, that there is no way to have enough mobs and stats for that to make much of a difference.

[Skivvy]

It's not really a complicated math or anything. Holy on two enemies is 380 potency/3sec so 126,(6)/sec, while Stone IV is 250/2,5sec so 100/sec. That's a 26% increase in DPS.

That being said, it's 2,4MP/1 point of potency for Stone while it is ~6,32MP/1 point of potency for Holy.

That means that for 26% increase you use 260% of the amount of MP. If you're using Thin Air...by all means, Holy Spam is the way to go against 2+ mobs, no questions asked. If not...you may want to conserve some casts. Casting two or three is not a problem, you will restore most MP from that in-between pulls, but spamming to low MP radius should be avoided outside of large number of mobs where the time saved is very significant. Lucid Dreaming and Assize cannot keep up with Holy spam in MP regeneration.

PS: Holy potency/sec based on number of foes is:

   1   /    2    /  3  /    4    /     5    /  6  /   +1
66,(6) / 126.(6) / 180 / 226,(6) /  266.(6) / 300 / +33.(3)

Holy MP/1 potency based on number of foes is:

 1 /   2   /   3   /   4   / 5 /   6   /  7  /  8
12 / ~6.32 / 4,(4) / ~3,53 / 3 / 2,(6) / 2,4 / 2,(18)

I'm of course talking about base values, which never actually happen. As spell speed increases, the cast and recast are affected getting the proportions out of whack, but the advantages and disadvantages of Stone VS Holy are so severe, that there is no way to have enough mobs and stats for that to make much of a difference.

Any math is complicated for me first thing in the morning But yeah, that was actually the first I had read about 2 enemies, so I thought that was interesting. I've always stuck with 3 or more myself. I appreciate you spelling out the math here The other post didn't elaborate that much.

[BillyKaplan]

Just got Battle on the Big Bridge for Trials roulette and rolled with a co-AST who refused to hit Sect because it's a low level trial and they're dpsing. I carded more than they did and healed more, too.
The funny thing is? I went Noct so they would've gone Diurnal. Regen is v. good at letting you dps without having to worry about health for a bit.

[TheMightyMollusk]

A12n yesterday, no first timer bonus. Had a summoner and a red mage who both refused to res anyone on the first attempt. Even with Lucid being used on cooldown, I couldn't keep up with Verraising solo, so after the second time both healers died, we wiped.

Second attempt went better, the other RDM was actually helping raise people this time. We get to the M/F phase, myself and the fourth DPS (a samurai) are on female and the summoner and other RDM are on the male. I notice that the female's at half health while the male is still at around 80%, so I look over and.....no dots. Then I look around a little more and realize that the summoner doesn't even have a pet out. (Then I eat an AOE and die because I was distracted, but a healer picked me right back up.) I ask him to call out a pet, it takes him almost a full two minutes to actually get one out. Didn't see a single Bahamut the entire run.

So the fight dragged on, with people basically eating everything that they shouldn't be. Finally Omega F goes down.....and M is still around a third of his health left. He starts spamming his enrage attack, and everyone but the healers hits the ground. Naturally most people are calling for a wipe and reset (and I got threatened with a kick for making a "Two Heals, One Boss" comment), but the two of them managed to hold out long enough to get an LB3 charged and pick everyone up for the win.

[InkstainedGwyn]

Just got Battle on the Big Bridge for Trials roulette and rolled with a co-AST who refused to hit Sect because it's a low level trial and they're dpsing. I carded more than they did and healed more, too.
The funny thing is? I went Noct so they would've gone Diurnal. Regen is v. good at letting you dps without having to worry about health for a bit.

I know the answer to this is "because people are willfully stupid" but sects... literally have no drawback. It's not like cleric stance back in the day with its reduction of healing vs. +dmg. Even if it's simply to put up appearances, I can't believe that clicking a button while everybody waits for the tanks to fight over who's not going to MT offends them that badly.

Besides, joke's on them - AST is not the class to go DPS on, and I say that lovingly as an AST main for life. Not only were they being a shit healer, they were also being a shit dps. Fun times!

[Bright-Flower]

This didn't happen to me but once had a FC mate running roulettes say that when confronted about not having an oath on, they said 'shield oath is passive.'

A12n yesterday, no first timer bonus. Had a summoner and a red mage who both refused to res anyone on the first attempt. Even with Lucid being used on cooldown, I couldn't keep up with Verraising solo, so after the second time both healers died, we wiped.

Second attempt went better, the other RDM was actually helping raise people this time. We get to the M/F phase, myself and the fourth DPS (a samurai) are on female and the summoner and other RDM are on the male. I notice that the female's at half health while the male is still at around 80%, so I look over and.....no dots. Then I look around a little more and realize that the summoner doesn't even have a pet out. (Then I eat an AOE and die because I was distracted, but a healer picked me right back up.) I ask him to call out a pet, it takes him almost a full two minutes to actually get one out. Didn't see a single Bahamut the entire run.

So the fight dragged on, with people basically eating everything that they shouldn't be. Finally Omega F goes down.....and M is still around a third of his health left. He starts spamming his enrage attack, and everyone but the healers hits the ground. Naturally most people are calling for a wipe and reset (and I got threatened with a kick for making a "Two Heals, One Boss" comment), but the two of them managed to hold out long enough to get an LB3 charged and pick everyone up for the win.

Nice! I had a similar case tanking as a paladin, though it was at 5% of the F's hp with M down and she went into spamming her aoe, I managed to keep myself alive via clemency and cooldowns long enough to whittle her down.

I don't normally jump to vote kicking but if you weren't seeing any bahamuts through the whole fight and you had to badger them into pulling out a pet...well I probably would have considered it in that case.

[Quinna]

I just want to vent for a sec.. I have spent a LOT of time in Pagos, (I know, thats my first mistake) and I've done a ton of Lou and other NM's, obviously.

Yesterday I hopped in, saw a shout for Anubys farm and was like, ok sure why not?.. get invited say my hello's and no response from anyone.
oh well. so there are 4 other people in the party, I walk out to the camp and Lou pops.

At this point no one has spoken in pty, so I say "Lou" twice.. no response, they aren't adding to the party to head to the NM and then someone drops, then a second. . so I figure we're all splitting and i drop, join a group and do boss.
Back at icepoint to find something to do and I see them shouting for Anubys again, so i rejoin and i'm like "hi again " ect, i'm friendly.
And I immediately start getting an ass reaming, about how myself and another member who was there before too but had left are rat bastards and that they got gold without us and basically that we're shameless assholes. . I left after explaining myself because I genuinely thought they weren't going or afk and feeling really uncomfortable about being yelled at like a child.

Maybe I care too much? I feel like when you invite someone to a group and you're leading you should at least communicate whats going on. Clearly they had no problem ripping into me when I returned to the group so it's not like they couldn't have responded before we all left the first time.
Tldr; I'm a big baby. Pagos etiquette is bad.

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

People who don't talk in chat are pretty lame.

[Skivvy]

People who don't talk in chat are pretty lame.

This is practically everyone... :X

[Sylvina]

Yes, it was you and when I joined you had still been dealing with a new UI setup which was the oh wait it can't be thought moment. Like I said I get rl distractions and normally don't mind when they come up. The rest was just play style differences that would be seen as nit picks like not using dots, holying on just three mobs and maybe using medica II more often than needed. I probably had more of a dislike towards the tank on that run than you. I also don't hold myself in a "I'm the best" thought as I know I'm not as I've done things with better healers let alone better whms.

I purposefully avoid difficult content while getting used to a new UI, and holy on 3 mobs is when you SHOULD holy... Keeper of the lake isnt a hard dungeon especially these days. perfect for new UI practice really. Why u so upset? also I was using dots although news flash aoe dot is not avaliable at lvl50 for WHM so I had to use st dots only. also my dot skill was bound to an unfamiliar key and it was literally the first time playing with the new binds. if you nitpick that you'll nitpick literally anything.