Few close friends quit FFXIV, one wants to explain why, hopes SE improves the game

[Aerlana]

FFXIV does the same thing over and over
We can even try to predict the ilvl at the 5.0... How? lets see 2.55=>3.0 and 3.55=>4.0, except the farming memoquartz cant be improve to +10 ilvl on SB, it is the exact same thing, SB is letteraly a copy/paste from HW.
HoH? it is PotD... Why doing a new one? why not just improve the previous one? Eureka is diadem. for the 6th years, raiding is exactly the same ritual. and we can already predict so much thing about 5.0... We can predict we will have 5 leveling dongeon, 1 max level dongeon + 1 primal (no xtrem yet, will be on 5.1) 2 HL dongeon, 2 primals with extreme mode, a raid 8. Then 5.1 raid 24, the story primal get xtrem, first tribal tribe. then 5.2, new ilvl, the 5.0 +30ilvl to be exact... and can continue. I did not ask to cards or anything else, i just watch what we had from HW release, and for some things, what we had from during ARR. Can even bet a new "uznair" thing, a new "HoH" thing, during the 5.X . . .

I want change in the treadmill. simply, Or other way i want new things, real new things. Improving the previous one, making them more fun (because most side content are so... prefer not define it)...
In fact no, just, make a fun lord of vermillion, a fun eureka (a REAL fun one. not a "it is good because i can play with friends" that is what i await from ANY MMORPG ! ) a fun [insert one of the shitty content]

Yoshida was a player, but dont think anymore as player... this is the matter

[ko_]

I thinks that's a massive over exageration. No one ever expects fallout to change onto Alex kid or anything crazy. that's just ridiculous

But if you do or have play fallout you'll find they're all different games even when the core gameplay is much the same across the series.

Or take GTA The core gameplay doesn't change that much but 5 is vastly different from 4 which is vastly different from San Andreas which is vastly different to vice city which is again vastly differnet to gta 3. The core game play of the series stays much the same even though all the games look and feel different.

Even FFXI. CoP was a totally different experience than Zilart, which was a totally different experience to ToAU and WoTG. All vastly different Even when the core game was the same.

In 14 though Stormblood is basically a copy paste of Heavensward which is a copy paste of ARR. And thus 5.0 will likely be yet another copy paste.
And thus everything feels exactly the same.

People are making the exact same topics about loot rollers in alphascape that they were in gordias because it is literally just copy paste content.



The problem with this is you need to innovvate. if you don't you can never progress. those unproven changes can never be proven if companies will not innovate and give them a try. just sticking to whats proven has killed more games than innovation ever will. look at WOW. and every single MMO that tried to copy it or kill it and basically they all failed. because ithey didnt offer anything new everything they offered WoW already had. so why would players leave..

COD is another in a different genre how many FPS games have tried to mimic COD and fell flat on there face because of it. why play those games when they can just play COD...

Innovation on the other hand leads to things like PUBG and Fortnite battle royale where a relatively new and completely unproven idea takes the whole industry by storm....

THe problem with your examples is those are not add-ons to GTA.. those are different GAMES entirely but part of the same series. FFXIV is just ONE game. Again that's like saying in the next add-on people are mad it still plays like XIV.. well that's cause it IS XIV. It's not the next new game. It's still the same game and games do not change their -core-gameplay within the same game. I dunno maybe I'm just jaded cause I see this debate EVERYWHERE and it's always the same tired excuse. "we're bored" - new thing comes out " THIS SUCKS why you changed!!" So I guess I'm just blargh on this subject.

[AngelCheese77]

What 'Korean letter thing?"

Uh ......? Care to elaborate OP?

[Hamada]

THe problem with your examples is those are not add-ons to GTA.. those are different GAMES entirely but part of the same series. FFXIV is just ONE game. Again that's like saying in the next add-on people are mad it still plays like XIV.. well that's cause it IS XIV. It's not the next new game. It's still the same game and games do not change their -core-gameplay within the same game. I dunno maybe I'm just jaded cause I see this debate EVERYWHERE and it's always the same tired excuse. "we're bored" - new thing comes out " THIS SUCKS why you changed!!" So I guess I'm just blargh on this subject.

You see this debate everywhere because it is A PROBLEM!!!! You do not see how 4.1= 4.2=4.3=4.4? they are doing the same thing over and over and over again, this is why people call it a treadmill. They give the 450 cap because by time people have a full set, the game is ready to go around again to release the reskin of the last patch. You are really not making much sense with your logic

"those are different GAMES entirely but part of the same series. FFXIV is just ONE game. Again that's like saying in the next add-on people are mad it still plays like XIV.."

This is a complete stawman from the main point of the thread, you are just trying to attack a sub point that has NOTHING to do with the main point, I/E FFXIV needs to stop copy/paste itself and calling it "new"

SB gave NOTHING new over HW! we are just doing HW all over again with new ilevels. THAT is the issue, do you understand this yet? Try to put your " jaded cause I see this debate EVERYWHERE" excuse aside and try understand what is going on and what is being said.

What 'Korean letter thing?"

Uh ......? Care to elaborate OP?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Letter-Summary
lul fall back on page 4

[ko_]

Stuff

The problem with your examples is none of those are - add-ons to the same game. Sonic 2 is a different game then sonic 1 so ofcourse it's got different things in it.. but it's STILL a platformer. It's not a puzzle game, or a fighter. You still get the default experience. But it's a different game. Thats NOT what I'm talking about, and not what is happening. XIV is ONE game.. not a different one. So expecting it to again change it's CORE gameplay is crazy. They are not going to take a huge chance and change the entire game cause a few people are bored. That'll be insane and again.. NO ONE game DOES THIS. Not ONE. You don't pick up any ONE game play it and 2 years later pklay it again and it's a completely different game. What you get is what you get for that one title. That's what I mean. And I keep seeing people say - IO hate tomestone- but noone has a better system to replace it.. and again what do you expect them to do? They HAVE tried to put things in here to shake it up but they failed. Euerka being the most recent example. They aren't going to do that on a massive scale unless it works and so far nothing they tried that breaks the mode has worked... so ofcourse the same tied and true system is going to stay.

Let em explain what I mean. Cause I watched some videos on wow.. and even they as many changes they do to their game get alot of hate for it. I can't link cause PS4 but just about all the changes they do upsets the playerbase massively. Classes or whatever they are called don't stay focus and noone feels like what they are playing is final. People complain all the time that wow doesn't know what it wants to do. Is that what we want in XIV? for them to just change everything for no reason? Cause I can tell you what'll happen.... instant drop in sells. It happened in WoW so you know it'll happen here. And that's why noone would ever do that. Not on a msssive scale anyway. So unless something they do put in sticks I don't expect anything to change. And you say SB is copied pased from HW.. again. What are they posed to do? The stories are different, the gameplay changes does change how things are played from HW to SB.. ofcourse it's not a HUGE change cause again you'll upset a massive part of the playerbase. I just don't understand what any of you are expecting or wanting. I rather have the tomestones then RNG like WoW has or Tera.. or Black tits online. IT keeps it safe and understandable for people. Took a 6 month break.. oh look I just need to farm expert and catch up. No need to learn a completely new and random system out of nowhere for no reason at all. Maybe I'm missing something but I just don't get it.

[Hamada]

Everywhere as in ALL games. Not just XIV.. but that last part of that is and most devs have said so themselves. Gamers don't know what they want.

You are likely right, gamers do not know what they want. However I will ague they know what they DO NOT want, and that is being guided on rails on the same thing over and over again. You still did not address how SB is NOT HW. The issue is FFXIV takes the receptiveness way to far, it clones it self completely, SB IS HW!!!!! it added nothing, it changed nothing, it only does this because they know people will buy it to keep up the ilevels. SB is HW with new ilevels, that is all it is.

Are you going to sit there and try to convince me "gamers do not know what they want" so it is ok to reskin the same content over and over again? That is not a defense.

They are not going to take a huge chance and change the entire game cause a few people are bored.

Fine they can keep bleeding subs because a few people like yourself feel the need to defend this mess.

They HAVE tried to put things in here to shake it up but they failed. Euerka being the most recent example. They aren't going to do that on a massive scale unless it works and so far nothing they tried that breaks the mode has worked... so ofcourse the same tied and true system is going to stay.

No they have not done anything to change things. Euerka failed because it was an over delayed for no content (just gloried fate grinding). It failed because it is just a diadem reskin, despite claiming it was not going ot be diadem. That is not "trying" Also, about trying:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4yd2W50No

Euerka is just diadem, SB is a complete clone of HW, nothing different or new in SB. Some other reasons why Euerka failed because the second one did not consider feedback from the playerbase like putting a level sync in. There is NO EXCUSE for this other then showing how out of touch of the user base you are. You watching videos of wow and who gets mad over what changes is another stawman from the main point, the main point being FFXIV needs to stop copy/paste, and reusing itself for EVERYTHING. SB=HW with new ilevels, it has NOTHING new over HW.

Also your core argument is completely debunked on what FFXI did sooooooooooo.... You really think FFXIV will last as long as FFXI did if it keeps copy/pasting itself?

[ko_]

You are likely right, gamers do not know what they want. However I will ague they know what they DO NOT want, and that is being guided on rails on the same thing over and over again. You still did not address how SB is NOT HW. The issue is FFXIV takes the receptiveness way to far, it clones it self completely, SB IS HW!!!!! it added nothing, it changed nothing, it only does this because they know people will buy it to keep up the ilevels. SB is HW with new ilevels, that is all it is.

Are you going to sit there and try to convince me "gamers do not know what they want" so it is ok to reskin the same content over and over again? That is not a defense.



Fine they can keep bleeding subs because a few people like yourself feel the need to defend this mess.


No they have not done anything to change things. Euerka failed because it was an over delayed for no content (just gloried fate grinding). It failed because it is just a diadem reskin, despite claiming it was not going ot be diadem. That is not "trying" Also, about trying:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4yd2W50No

Euerka is just diadem, SB is a complete clone of HW, nothing different or new in SB. Some other reasons why Euerka failed because the second one did not consider feedback from the playerbase like putting a level sync in. There is NO EXCUSE for this other then showing how out of touch of the user base you are. You watching videos of wow and who gets mad over what changes is another stawman from the main point, the main point being FFXIV needs to stop copy/paste, and reusing itself for EVERYTHING. SB=HW with new ilevels, it has NOTHING new over HW.

Also your core argument is completely debunked on what FFXI did sooooooooooo.... You really think FFXIV will last as long as FFXI did if it keeps copy/pasting itself?

If Eurka is just Dia, then every raid is just Bahumait - or how ever his named is spelled 2.0- Every 24 man is void arc, every job is the same- You hit stuff- You see how that works? Ofcourse somethings will bleed. So what's your answer? To just up and change EVERYTHING cause you're bored? SB added Eureka which IS different then Dia.. it's not a 100% point by point. cause it's NOT. Sorry you're not going to convice me it is cause it's not. I just don't believe in changing everything that's working for no reason. And noone has an answer for a change beside - I'm bored- and - I hate SE- and - I hate insert whatever it is here-. Sorry but I just don't agree with you. I don't see the issue since you're just gonna complain if they took tomesstones away and replaced it with RNG or something. - Not YOU you.. but youy in general.- Again I point to the WoW playerbase where that's the one game where Blizz WILL just up and change shit and people get PISSED. Noone likes change like that, and while yes doing the same thing over and over again will get boring, just up and changing EVERYTHING isn't the right way to go either.

[Aerlana]

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Prove eureka is not diadem 3.0 ?
HoH not PotD2.0?

Why doing a X.0 of the content and not just improving, making better and better the one already existing?

All raid does the same thing as bahamut did. yes it is a fact... 4 instanced fight. one boss each. the loot are the same from gordias. (ok there were some small changes on sadic, but story mode get exactly the same system)

When people says they want things to change, they mean to evolve. Not changing the game to another one. FFXIV didnt evolve... or so low...
Lets see housing. 2.1 release, 2.3 personnal room, 2.38 personnal housing and forgot the patch for the last thing and? ... ... thats all. Shirogane? nothing new ! it is a 4th 2x (3L + 7M + 20S) and it is 1 map with 90 degrees rotation to make difference between first and second part.
To have house? all, then destroy system, and after more than 2 years of asking it... after asking it to limit a dramatic release of shirogane, we had to go thru 4.1 burning forum to finally have the 1 house per account...
Could housing could evolve and improve? yes, either to the "a house for everyone side" than to the feature itself to be even better... ... Oh yes now we have fish inside the house yay... it did evolve i think?

Housing is an example... minion fightning? FFXI had it why no... oh we have, lord of vermillion, adn it is so wonderfull yes, nothing to change.
Triple triad tournament? no DF for this (it could help to avoid the cheating way to be in top20) Nthing to change? ok
Hunting ! no? fine like this, no need to evolve or change it? ...


And to come back the the prediction about 5.0. We all knew what would be in 4.4 and 4.45... we all know what will be in 4.5 and 4.55. it is the first game so predictable... ... how can we be amazed, surprised by a game so predictable?
Story, music is a part of the game, but if i want an entertainment content for story + music, i wont buy a MMORPG and pay a sub for it... i will go to the theatre

[ko_]

Prove eureka is not diadem 3.0 ?
HoH not PotD2.0?

Why doing a X.0 of the content and not just improving, making better and better the one already existing?

All raid does the same thing as bahamut did. yes it is a fact... 4 instanced fight. one boss each. the loot are the same from gordias. (ok there were some small changes on sadic, but story mode get exactly the same system)

When people says they want things to change, they mean to evolve. Not changing the game to another one. FFXIV didnt evolve... or so low...
Lets see housing. 2.1 release, 2.3 personnal room, 2.38 personnal housing and forgot the patch for the last thing and? ... ... thats all. Shirogane? nothing new ! it is a 4th 2x (3L + 7M + 20S) and it is 1 map with 90 degrees rotation to make difference between first and second part.
To have house? all, then destroy system, and after more than 2 years of asking it... after asking it to limit a dramatic release of shirogane, we had to go thru 4.1 burning forum to finally have the 1 house per account...
Could housing could evolve and improve? yes, either to the "a house for everyone side" than to the feature itself to be even better... ... Oh yes now we have fish inside the house yay... it did evolve i think?

Housing is an example... minion fightning? FFXI had it why no... oh we have, lord of vermillion, adn it is so wonderfull yes, nothing to change.
Triple triad tournament? no DF for this (it could help to avoid the cheating way to be in top20) Nthing to change? ok
Hunting ! no? fine like this, no need to evolve or change it? ...


And to come back the the prediction about 5.0. We all knew what would be in 4.4 and 4.45... we all know what will be in 4.5 and 4.55. it is the first game so predictable... ... how can we be amazed, surprised by a game so predictable?
Story, music is a part of the game, but if i want an entertainment content for story + music, i wont buy a MMORPG and pay a sub for it... i will go to the theatre

That's easy. Dia didn't have the systems Euerka does, try again, nor does it look the same or have all the same functions. Yes they share a few things, but EVERYTHING does. And evlove into what? You're not telling them WHAT they need to do. How are they posed to get any info from what you just posted beside - nothing new is here-.and evolve into what? I don't understand what you mean. Cause they DO and have made changes here and there.. iut's just nothing big. What do you want them to actually do? We got new jobs, new areas, and new plotlines. And alot of things I can't list. You're going to get bleed cause ofcourse they are going t oadd dungeons, tomestones, trials and etc. And we got something VERY new. RATH EX. Oh right... noone does that cause it's too hard. :/

[Raskbuck]

The game has to innovate if it wants to stay relevant. There are a lot of upcoming MMOs that grossly overshadow FFXIV in terms of netcode, mechanics and incorporating player feedback, so SE should address these issues at one point or another.

Unfortunately FFXIV has the remnants of the legacy spaghetti code of 1.0, and it's preventing the game from flourishing into what it could really be. For instance, how many times have we heard the server limitation excuse? Meanwhile you have titans like Amazon getting into the MMO scene and are able to pop servers anywhere in the world by snapping their fingers. How is SE going to compete against that?

It's great if you think that the game doesn't have to change, but you have to understand that people bring up these concerns not out of hatred or pettiness. They do it because they care about it and want to see it last for a long time. Square Enix hasn't been doing too well in listening to player feedback, at all. Poor customer support in NA, the housing system is a complete mess since ARR, the repetitiveness and copy-paste content we've had since forever, not letting you level-sync and play with your friends in Eureka, etc. Frankly I'm a little speechless that they don't incorporate player feedback any faster, because it seems that the game is bleeding subs pretty quickly.