Eureka is still ruined because of Pagos

[Deceptus]

idk I got 9 crystals in under 3 hours today, and another 7 after lunch in about 2, so the first 2 steps of the relic done in about 5 hours, in another 5 I should have it complete. So, I don't think the light gain in by any means minor...
Also got 4 lvls in 2 hours on my alt just afking at icepoint and joining pts for the nms on the southern half of the map, so lvling is crazy fast too now too.

It's still not well designed, but its leaps and bounds better now than it was before. If ppl want relics at least the grind is next to nothing now so if Pyros is decent it wont be any worse than the fate steps in the last 2 relics questlines. The drop rates aren't any worse, they just didnt put the items in chests this time. Lest we forget how painful it was to get rex for some. And honestly its no worse than Anemos now, it just has the stink of Pagos still attached, so ppl will remain salty about it even if they can get in and out in a few days if they really wanna push it.

I don't understand why the drop rates here are bad but ppl will grind the same ex trial 99 times for a mount, not including wipes and learning pts, and not bat an eye.

Good luck getting your 5 Louhi Ice in 5 hours.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I don't understand why the drop rates here are bad but ppl will grind the same ex trial 99 times for a mount, not including wipes and learning pts, and not bat an eye.

Because trials require my brain to actually be turned on. I would happily grind NMs for hours. They have some pretty cool mechanics. Sure, the mechanics do eventually become second nature in any given fight, but I can take a break if I feel burnt out, then enjoy them once again. Farming endless trash mobs offers none of that variance. Each one scarcely differentiate's itself, has virtually no mechanics beyond autos and demands little more than you to have a pulse. It just isn't fun gameplay. And this is coming from someone who spends hundreds of hours progging Savage and Ultimate. So it isn't as though I dislike grinding the same thing over and over again. I just need to feel some degree of engagement or I'm less inclined to bother. Pagos lacks said engagement.

[Ryaz]

I'm on vacation next week and I'm going to at least try to get in to Pagos, level past 23 and get my samurai relic. If I don't commit seppuku first.

[Ash_]

The current 4.41 light gain feels like what it should have been from the very beginning when Pagos was first launched. It's definitely still not great, and I hope there are further nerfs to the light gain, or we can gather it in Pyros. I'm actually saving what I have for the eventual nerfs on Pyros' release, including no doubt a decrease in Louhi and crystal requirements.

But maybe it would feel better right now if JP players were actually putting some effort in to form a NM train. Literally 90% of the instance players are gathered at the aetheryte in Icepoint. Full instance btw, 144 players. Just absolutely zero effort to spawn anything.

[Gun-Cat]

The title is misleading. "Still ruined" implies it has been good at some point.

[Kewitt]

They need to reduce hp of mobs so they can be solo to chain 4 to 5 at lvl and exp loss for more people almost removed

[Vahlnir]

They need to reduce hp of mobs so they can be solo to chain 4 to 5 at lvl and exp loss for more people almost removed

Yeah, I think the mobs need retuned in general. The exp loss? Eh, I'm indifferent. Just need to be careful. I don't mind group play or I wouldn't be playing an MMO, but I should be able to solo something my current level or one level higher than me without nearly keeling over. Seriously. If I'm picking fights with something 3-4 levels higher than my own (and possibly higher) then I deserve the beating I'm about to get. Not that I would, just saying really.

As to the topic though...yeah, I think Pagos was a pretty bad stain on Eureka. Anemos wasn't the best piece of content ever, but it was tolerable and group play was actually mostly enjoyable. You also felt rewarded for the time and effort you put in. Pagos is the equivalent of punching yourself in the face repeatedly.

[Azper]

Hit level 21 when Pagos released and just dropped it then and there--haven't been back since. Hands down the worst content ever released in my eyes.

[Edax]

As to the topic though...yeah, I think Pagos was a pretty bad stain on Eureka. Anemos wasn't the best piece of content ever, but it was tolerable and group play was actually mostly enjoyable. You also felt rewarded for the time and effort you put in. Pagos is the equivalent of punching yourself in the face repeatedly.

For whatever reason, the Anemos train was perfect for casuals and SE felt this was a bad thing and needed Pagos to get rid of all the casuals. It all feels like punishment to the players for coming up with the train, which I'm absolutely sure SE thought was an exploit. But since Pagos was only for the hardcore, that means the content is only achievable in the first few weeks of the game before the population dies out, which means Eureka #3 is going to only be for the hardcore. Only I suspect SE will realize Eureka shouldn't have been made for the hardcore and design it to incorporate casuals. Only I'm not sure if they'll let all the casuals who gave up on Pagos skip it.

[Dragoon4life]

I'm on vacation next week and I'm going to at least try to get in to Pagos, level past 23 and get my samurai relic. If I don't commit seppuku first.

leveling wasnt as bad when Pagos was “current” bc SE increased the EXP by like 300%. But I feel bad for a lot of ppl in the same boat bc no one is doing Pagos.

All I know is I'm never doing bunny fates again.
The only "reward" is death.

I did Bunny FATEs all the time bc I believed they made NM pop faster but I have never ever gotten a gold coffer/eye.