What is with people?

[OurMom]

I mean, if those people didn't want to get reported and possibly banned, may I suggest silently kicking the party member

That's why I mentioned possibly getting a temp ban because you used vote kick "wrong" which is a bannable offense, you're not suppose to vote kick someone cause they're bad and there's no option for that in the vote kick menu.

That's griefing and is a reportable offense in and of itself. But why try and take care of the root of the problem by reporting it when you can be a jerk about it directly, right?

Because that's really hard to prove if someone is a troll or if someone is just bad which will ultimately lead to SE not doing anything.

not swearing at people whose gameplay you disapprove of is a 'problem' for you, you have a whole other set of problems to deal with first before worrying about this game...

Do you mind if I take a look at your shoulder? I think you might have dislocated it with that reach there buddy.

"Safety nets" = Getting banned for vote kicking a bad. Not being able to use/talk about parsers. Not being able to tell someone "Hey you're doing all of this wrong".

[BillyKaplan]

That's why I mentioned possibly getting a temp ban because you used vote kick "wrong" which is a bannable offense, you're not suppose to vote kick someone cause they're bad and there's no option for that in the vote kick menu.

Gameplay differences. Seems to fly.

Because that's really hard to prove if someone is a troll or if someone is just bad which will ultimately lead to SE not doing anything.

So you swear at him, which does do something, and that's that you get reported...? Kick them and move on.

"Safety nets" = Getting banned for vote kicking a bad.

How many people do you know that had that happen to them?

Not being able to tell someone "Hey you're doing all of this wrong".

You're more than allowed to do that. You just should keep your Tourette Syndrome in check when you do.

[OurMom]

Gameplay differences. Seems to fly.

Again, there's no option when you vote kick that's for "bads" or "gameplay difference" so if the person that got kicked REALLY wanted to push it. The people that vote kicked them could get in trouble since they technically used it "wrong".

So you swear at him, which does do something, and that's that you get reported...? Kick them and move on.

Is there a reason you're stuck on swearing? I personally don't think swearing should be a bannable offense but that's not even close to what I'm talking about in any of my previous posts.

How many people do you know that had that happen to them?

Four including my self

You're more than allowed to do that.

Nope because that's being "toxic" again, why are you stuck on swearing? This entire issue is more than swearing it's about people like OP that are legitimate bads, trying to get innocent people banned because they refuse to learn how to play their class. Also I may have missed something, I didn't read this entire thread but in the screenshot did the person swear at them? Saying "you play like crap" isn't truly swearing at them. Swearing at them is saying "you are crap".

I believe the word 'shit' was used.

Yeah but that's not swearing at them that's more like comparing them to it (not trying to get banned on the forums again). Swearing at them is calling them the actual word.

[XiShi]

I believe the word 'shit' was used.

"I didn't expect my good friend to post the diddy in party chat, but there IS a check box to filter out profanities."

We vote dismissed. We did not vote collectively to insult, nor do I pay my friend's sub.
Still, even if my friend had not said what he said, we'd still be here having this conversation because ultimately Mystic's feelings were hurt by his being vote dismissed. Which, we had every right to, because we felt he was a harasser or bot by means of his erratic gameplay and not responding to our party chat text.

[MoroMurasaki]

The gross part about this is that the person who lost their cool and insulted the OP is reportable but doing really, really stupid and detrimental things somehow isn't.

In no other situation can someone walk into a group activity, perform terribly, actively disrupt and hinder the progress of their teammates and just walk away with no penalty.

I feel like the OP should be reported for his deliberate poor play. I know there are a ton of gray areas and it's a slippery slope and all that but like this guy played badly on purpose and was actively wasting 7 other players time. That isn't any more okay than saying rude stuff in PF.

[KaivaC]

The gross part about this is that the person who lost their cool and insulted the OP is reportable but doing really, really stupid and detrimental things somehow isn't.

In no other situation can someone walk into a group activity, perform terribly, actively disrupt and hinder the progress of their teammates and just walk away with no penalty.

I feel like the OP should be reported for his deliberate poor play. I know there are a ton of gray areas and it's a slippery slope and all that but like this guy played badly on purpose and was actively wasting 7 other players time. That isn't any more okay than saying rude stuff in PF.

I agree. This is the second time now the OP has done this and has gotten caught red-handed, yet again. Blist is probably in good order for them.

[BillyKaplan]

The gross part about this is that the person who lost their cool and insulted the OP is reportable but doing really, really stupid and detrimental things somehow isn't.

I believe it actually is. The Report Harassment option in-game includes harassment via gameplay means, and this would fall squarely under it. But as brought up before, it's a very gray area, because how can you prove they were doing it intentionally instead of just, well, being bad?
Granted, if you have the proof, go for it. It's very much a reportable offense.

I agree. This is the second time now the OP has done this and has gotten caught red-handed, yet again. Blist is probably in good order for them.

Blist sadly won't stop people from getting queued with that person. It's a glorified chat filter.

[MoroMurasaki]

I believe it actually is. The Report Harassment option in-game includes harassment via gameplay means, and this would fall squarely under it. But as brought up before, it's a very gray area, because how can you prove they were doing it intentionally instead of just, well, being bad?
Granted, if you have the proof, go for it. It's very much a reportable offense.

The issue here is nothing beyond this person saying in chat that they're trolling would count as proof. SE will always err on the side of caution with something like this. The only time I've heard of any real results via Report Harrassment via gameplay has been MPKers in Eureka.

To me both things that were done were equally wrong - it's just different kinds of trolling. Both should have the same penalty and yet one will likely never see any repercussions from their actions.

True, but it's good to remember their name. No way I'm condoning the message they received after they were kicked, but at the same time, being called out on your bs twice on the forums within a year establishes a pattern of wanting to play the victim. Even if it weren't true about what really happened in the duty, OP's credibility is shoddy right now. Maybe they do need to take a step back and try to play properly before trying to play the victim a third time.

I'm hesitant to blist people like this guy. It doesn't have a tangible benefit to me and there is then the issue of being unable to see if they're saying anything to or about you if you're partied with them again.

[BillyKaplan]

To me both things that were done were equally wrong - it's just different kinds of trolling. Both should have the same penalty and yet one will likely never see any repercussions from their actions.

I'm hesitant to blist people like this guy. It doesn't have a tangible benefit to me and there is then the issue of being unable to see if they're saying anything to or about you if you're partied with them again.

Agreed on all fronts. Honestly the blist option in this game protects the culprits more than anything. When you report them they tell you to blist them, but if they talk trash about you again and someone reports them, "no we need the person it was directed at to report them". But they have them blisted, they can't see it! [screams into the void]

[KaivaC]

I'm hesitant to blist people like this guy. It doesn't have a tangible benefit to me and there is then the issue of being unable to see if they're saying anything to or about you if you're partied with them again.

Oh right...I forget that PF doesn't really have much affect on blist. I have an alt lurking on Primal, though not on Ultros where they are at, so probably - hopefully - won't run into them and have to experience something like this first hand. Still, the player who sent that message that prompted this thread should be reprimanded in some fashion. Won't happen, as you said, and overall, it's just a crappy situation for all involved in that party.