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  1. #11
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    Ameela's Avatar
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    Ameela Trussa
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    Phoenix
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Unless you're being purposefully uncooperative I see no reason to kick, everyone learns the fights at different paces and unless it's an old dungeon I don't go into stuff expecting a flawless easy run every time.

    In my opinion, "bads" are the people who even after everything is explained to them will insist on doing things their way, whether it be how to play their class/role or how to do a certain fight (for example I remember someone in an O12 run insisting on bringing the stack marker to the edge even though everyone else wanted to have it in the middle. he then proceeded to berate everyone when he died because he brought it to the edge and then no one stacked with him)
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  2. #12
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    Fhaerron's Avatar
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    Fhaerron Kobayashi
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    Twintania
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Few pulls on normal is perfectly fine, no need to start about your disability or depression or w/e, many people need several pulls to familiarize themselves.

    On harder content e.g. (Mythic raids on WoW & Ultimate in this game) some bosses can require a few hundreds of pulls, also for people without disabilities or what not.

    You have blacklist for a reason.

    So, don't sweat it, just play and have fun.
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  3. #13
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    Solarra's Avatar
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    Sylbritt Muscadet
    World
    Cerberus
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    Archer Lv 89
    I'd hazard a guess that the number of disabled players is probably higher than a lot of people imagine (assuming we take a fairly broad definition and not just disabled severely enough to keep you out of work). Over the years, we've had deaf players in our guild, dyslexic players, people with sight issues and others with issues like arthritis or slower reactions due to age or illness.

    The biggest issue I find in DF is that a lot of players tend to spring to the judgement that 'bad' players are either trolling or wanting a carry and this is compounded by people being generally unwilling or unable to communicate in random groups. My first run in the Burn for example, was made a lot less fun by someone who implied they knew the strats, but who found it much more productive to berate the group for wipes or individual deaths than to try and explain anything.

    I know most people on the forum are very understanding when people say they have a disability and I would expect that to hold true in-game. I certainly don't think this attitude is representative of the majority of EU players:
    Quote Originally Posted by CorbinDallas View Post
    ...nobody really cares. We only care about getting things done in a timely and reasonably efficient manner...
    While I don't think people who are sick or disabled should be expected to give that information out to every random person they group with, it might make sense to say something if they know their issues are likely to affect the rest of the group.

    The other thing that has to be remembered is that a lot of people on the forum consistently over-estimate or over-state their own ability or simply have unrealistic expectations of others. It pays to be a little cynical when people tell you how great they are and how nearly everyone else sucks.
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  4. #14
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    Luke Lightbringer
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    Jenova
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Solarra View Post
    The other thing that has to be remembered is that a lot of people on the forum consistently over-estimate or over-state their own ability or simply have unrealistic expectations of others. It pays to be a little cynical when people tell you how great they are and how nearly everyone else sucks.
    That is one thing I’ve noticed generally when people who complain most about others in chat leave after a wipe or two, we end up clearing on the first pull after they leave.
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  5. #15
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    Riyah Arpeggio
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    Exodus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    For as easy and accessible as this game is, people obsess over others being bad way too much. I'd honestly not even listen to them any more.
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  6. #16
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    TouchandFeel's Avatar
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    Vespereaux Vaillantes
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    Exodus
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    Paladin Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by SerLuke View Post
    That is one thing I’ve noticed generally when people who complain most about others in chat leave after a wipe or two, we end up clearing on the first pull after they leave.
    In my experience, most of the players that have been rude, extremely impatient or nasty to other players in duties have been the ones causing the groups to not perform and the groups did much better without them.
    The players that knew what to do and were competent have tended to be more patient and willing to explain mechanics so that those that were having trouble could learn.

    Whenever I see situations where one player is just flooding the chat with how "bad" the other players are in the middle of a fight, I often wonder if they realize the irony of them spending all that time typing and not playing while telling others that they are not doing their job.
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  7. #17
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    King Canadane
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 100
    It can take all sorts of people a few pulls before understanding mechanics. That's just how learning is sometimes.
    I don't think anyone really wants to hear the reasons, they'd rather just go again and try to get her done.

    Not to belittle the challenged, but as long as you're ready to pick up from a wipe and try again, not much more can be asked.
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    http://king.canadane.com

  8. #18
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    TaleraRistain's Avatar
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    Thalia Beckford
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    Jenova
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Don't sweat it. Some people are just impatient assholes who really should be sticking to premade for how much they expect perfection from people completely new to the content.

    We can have some bad eggs on our data center, but I pug a lot and for the most part people are pretty chill. When you do get that one asshole, they're usually the one who gets kicked or who ragequits and you find out they were the one really holding everyone back.

    If you ever need a healer, look me up! We Jenovans should stick together, after all.
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  9. #19
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    Kaldea Sahaline
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    Behemoth
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by SerLuke View Post
    I have a learning disability, sometimes it takes me few pulls to learn normal raid mechs, I get a bit disheartened when I see people almost bragging or taking joy in kicking "bad" players who have trouble with mechanics, I've experienced this in game before when I was hesitant to tell people that I had a disability, and recently I have started telling people I have a learning disability when I have trouble with content(it took me a few pulls to clear O12 normal I said I had a learning disability and 3 people immediately left then ironically we cleared on the first pull when we had some people join in progress(who if I recall were all new to the fight), I MT'd the fight and was even able to explain the mechanics to the new comers it just seems like there's a lot of people in the XIV community who are quick to leave/kick if there's any sort of issues without being patient or trying to address the problem or trying to understand the people they are partying with.
    It's tough. I don't mind people failing. In fact I encourage it. However, if you repeatedly fail to the same thing over and over, it becomes grating REALLY fast. If you fail once to every single mechanic you're fine in my book, because it's easy to see that progression. Just never make excuses for failing. Own it, and ask questions.

    I remember back during God Kefka prog I joined a static that was much more progressed than I was. I died literally to every single mechanic in Clown Kefka. It took maybe 8 pulls for me to clear it (blind), they had it on farm. Every time I failed a mechanic I asked a question. Implemented the answer and moved on.
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  10. #20
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    Maeka Blazewing
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    Cactuar
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    If you're only interested in a smooth run, you're better off using Party Finder where you control who is added to the group to ensure you get your smooth run.
    ^^
    Quoted for Truth.

    If you Q up via Duty Finder, then you need to accept that there is the possibility you will end up with someone who performs less than optimally for any number of reasons including, but not limited to:

    --Age (Older people have slower reaction times, and less alertness in general)
    --Disability
    --Laziness
    --Not knowing their job very well
    --Not knowing the dungeon very well
    --Fatigue/Sleep Deprivation/etc
    --Intoxication
    --RL Distractions

    If you can't handle these, then you should not be using the Duty Finder, period. If you get a group with a such person, then you either deal with it or leave.

    The Duty Finder's primary purpose is to as quickly as possible make a viable match for the dungeon(s) you wish to do. It's not there for you to get "nice smooth timely runs". Many runs will be reasonably fast, but yet there's always those times when you'll get one or more players that aren't performing as well as you'd like them to. But yet such is the gamble you agree to when you click the button.
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    Last edited by Maeka; 09-27-2018 at 04:03 AM.

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