5.0 Relic Weapon

[Ramesses]

SE: "No diadem 3.0? Sure thing! Get ready for b̶o̶o̶k̶s̶ "new content" on steroids as a p̶u̶n̶i̶s̶h̶m̶e̶n̶t̶ reward! Please a̶b̶s̶o̶l̶u̶t̶e̶l̶y̶ ̶d̶r̶e̶a̶d̶ look forward to it!"

:P

...Im suddenly having nightmares of the Zodiak stage of the relics. That was brutal.

[Burningskull]

OP, my name is Bee. Remember that, because it's a name you will hate.

I will beg to Yoshi-P and pray to my God that they will put the 5.0 relic gear to Eureka. I absolutely will. In fact, you encouraged me to open up my laptop for more ergonomic typing to type out a thread titled "Use Eureka for the 5.0 relic gear". I don't wanna invest time in Eureka only to realize it'll be outdated as soon as the next expansion comes out.

That's right, OP. Bee. Remember that name for you will hate it.

Everything you do currently will be outdated when the next expansion comes out. Ultimate fights, Savage fights, and Eureka time spent. It's been this way since the first expansion. It'll be this way till the last expansion they do. Probably lol.

[Hazuki87]

The way I see it is, we need more hard zone in the game. people asked for 2years for harder mod in the main game zones but SE said no, but now that we have it In the form of a endgame the same ppl don’t want it lol

There to much solo in this game for me as is, so having a place to go and team up with ppl and work together is much more fun, then seeing the same 7 ppl for a 10mins boss fight 1-2times a week. That was getting old fast. it a MMO 1st, a RPG 2nd

[DuskTS]

They should let us buy whatever resource you need to grind out the relic off of the Mogstation. 5% of resources for a small fee, repeatedly purchasable.

[Alestorm]

It would seem to me that no one likes how they handle relics: 2.0 had fate grinds, 3.0 had tome grainds (both requiring crafting to continue at certain points) and now 4.0 they make it an instanced zone and people still hate it. I honestly wonder if they might just not do relics next expansion since it seems most people hate how there done.

It's a JRPG, you gotta expect grinding and effort for good rewards. Whereas WoW will literally hand you rewards no matter how much work you put into it or didn't.

[Kirsten_Rev]

Wholeheartedly agree. In fact, I'll go further: SE needs to re-learn what a decent grind looks like. A decent grind should have a proper balance between the reward, the time invested, and the mental boredom inflicted upon the player. The longer the grind, or the more painfully boring the activity, the better the reward has to be to make it a worthwhile endeavour that players engage with in a positive fashion.

Thus far, SE just hasn't managed to pull this off very well in FFXIV, and the Relic weapons are exhibits A, B, and C. Horrible creations such as the Atma stage for the Zodiac weapon, or Light farming for the Zodiac and Anima weapons, are just bad. They take lengthy amounts of time, they're horrifically boring for the player (because they involve doing the same tasks we do every day and are already borderline sick of, but in large quantities). And the reward? The reward is more or less trivial until the last six months of the version cycle, after which it's completely invalidated at the start of the next one. Bad. Just, bad. And Eureka is even worse: its time investment isn't as bad as it could be, but the tasks we do are absolutely mind-numbing. I cannot for the life of me stay awake through more than about 30 minutes of Eureka without putting on Netflix or something. It's the gaming equivalent of watching paint dry.

So please, SE, please re-learn what a decent grind looks like, and build it into the 5.0 Relics. Heck, build it in to other aspects of the game, too: I'd love to have some more meat on content like the Beast Tribes, or Levequests. Tie it into something besides shallow one-off reward boosts. I'll gladly chip away at it. But don't, for the love of Hydaelyn, give us another version of Diadem. At all. You've done it multiple times in both expansions to FFXIV, and it's gone over like a lead balloon in every single case. Stop it. Go back to the drawing board, or better yet, poll the players, and then listen to what we have to say.

[Jxnibbles]

Snip.

Good rewards? Where do you see good rewards in Pagos?

I see outdated rewards at the launch of said content. Do you mean the belt, hat, and earrings the items that never drop. As it stands much better rewards for less time in other content in the game. They should stop trying with Diadem it is not working.

[Hazuki87]

They should let us buy whatever resource you need to grind out the relic off of the Mogstation. 5% of resources for a small fee, repeatedly purchasable.

No that will make this a “p2w” game in some way, and Se already side the will NEVER add something like that to the Mog.

[Hazuki87]

poll the players, and then listen to what we have to say.

They do, but you know it fanny how the number of ppl that do the polls don’t every = the number playing 9/10. It take a lot more then a few 1000 players getting upset over it, to make SE stop doing something, they take the most of what ppl say on the forums and go form there to see if it will work and or help, not everything the players want can be add, do to it making it to easy for some or to head for others. Also you have to post you’re ideas in the right part of the forums to ever have SE look at it in the 1st places. Sometime you see polls on the said parts of the forums... lol

[Bonbori]

poll the players, and then listen to what we have to say.

Give the players 3 choices and you'll end up with a 4-way tie and 10 mutually antagonistic factions that don't really care what they themselves get, as long as the others don't get what they want.