Pushed to quit after 1,860 days subbed

[Sigma-Astra]

Well, even if housing isn't high-end combat, it's still content for people regardless. One person could invest weeks and gil into raiding and another person could invest weeks and gil into decorating. The concept alone isn't very different from each other still at the very least even if the content at their core are radically different, the value of what people invest into them could be considered the same weight.

[Penthea]

Forget the comparsion then... you are still missing the point. The information is out there. Just like everything else. So what cause it's housing the person isn't posed to look up information to keep it? That doesn't make sense.

The msq is the core of the game and it doesn't require you to look up tactics at all. Very few players expect people new to msq content to know it already. Usually people will just carry someone as long as it's not too much trouble. Maybe give them helpful tips as well.

So if the core of the game doesn't require you to look up external information, why should the rest of the game? You can't even always look up tactics for savage and ex. If you begin that content on the day of release there are no guides to read, and a huge amount of people complete them on the day or week of launch without guides. They prove you don't need to read external information to do the content.

Or is SE posed to baby us for everything?

If it's babying to put the demolition tutorial in a more appropriate place so posts like OP's are less likely to happen, then it's babying to put in any help messages at all.

[ko_]

The msq is the core of the game and it doesn't require you to look up tactics at all. Very few players expect people new to msq content to know it already. Usually people will just carry someone as long as it's not too much trouble. Maybe give them helpful tips as well.

So if the core of the game doesn't require you to look up external information, why should the rest of the game? You can't even always look up tactics for savage and ex. If you begin that content on the day of release there are no guides to read, and a huge amount of people complete them on the day or week of launch without guides. They prove you don't need to read external information to do the content.



If it's babying to put the demolition tutorial in a more appropriate place so posts like OP's are less likely to happen, then it's babying to put in any help messages at all.

Yeah that's only on day one tho. He didn't buy his house on day one. He got it in 4.2.. that's literally 3 years AFTER said demo timer was placed. So let me ask you. under the same guidelines you just set.. who's at fault? Cause this isn't day one.. it's like messing up void ark.. no the first primal. Going with your example. You can't blame everyone else cause you don't want to do the research. Which is what happened tho. Even if he didn't wantt to go outside the game.. which lets face it SE does a horrible job of explaining anything I'll give you that. But knowing that... google is like right there. It's so easy I can do it on my baby PS4 no problem. Ther is no excuse for not knowing when all the information in the world is literally at your finger tips.

[Kirsten_Rev]

I haven't read most of the thread posts, but I want to say two things.

(1) OP, I am deeply, deeply sympathetic to your plight, and I wish you well. I'd probably quit in your shoes, too. I know for me, the main things keeping me in XIV are my friends and my house - the content doesn't do it for me very well, and the storyline isn't enough to warrant a monthly fee. Losing either my friends or my house would almost surely cause me to abandon the game.

(2) Can we all agree, as a community, that nobody who routinely logs in should ever be 'surprised' by their house being demolished? By which I mean, why does anyone view SE sending emails as a sufficient notification? I personally don't check my email very often, and I know plenty of other people in that boat. Email is vulnerable to spam filters, to custom filters, all sorts of things. There needs to be an in-game mechanism, a pop-up upon login, a BIG one, indicating that your demolition timer has X days left on it. I'd also suggest that SE move the demolition timer category to the main Timers screen. It's ridiculous that it's under a separate Estate tab, a tab that people have zero reason to check routinely if they don't do FC crafting. It needs to be placed at the very top of the timers list: Demolition Timers. It should always indicate how long before the demo a house has, and not activate with only 10 days or so remaining before you lose your home. SE can, and should, do better.

And of course, really, let's not forget that it was SE and their short-sighted design decisions that built this unsustainable housing system in the first place. There's a reason they have to demolish houses: it's because they built neighborhoods that their servers can't support in large enough numbers for everyone. They owe it to the players to do everything possible to mitigate the downsides of this decision, which means yes, taking the time to build proper in-game notification mechanisms, rather than lazily sending out emails. They spent more time ensuring that pending Achievements pop up on our screen than they spent ensuring that players don't lose their house accidentally. That's shameful.

[Skivvy]

It's rare to find people who will argue against making something more user-friendly, especially when it will only benefit players and has no downside. But alas, here we are.

[Raim]

At least you're on a realm where new or returning people can buy a plot in the first place.

[Penthea]

It's rare to find people who will argue against making something more user-friendly, especially when it will only benefit players and has no downside. But alas, here we are.

For some reason when it comes to housing you have people who are crazy hostile towards any form of QoL that involves making the system clearer and easier to understand. It's almost as if they feel threatened at the thought of more players being able to keep their houses.

[Kirsten_Rev]

For some reason when it comes to housing you have people who are crazy hostile towards any form of QoL that involves making the system clearer and easier to understand. It's almost as if they feel threatened at the thought of more players being able to keep their houses.

If they're wanting a house on a populated server, I could see good reason for this, honestly. SE really created a nasty situation when they chose to build neighborhoods that their servers couldn't fully support, rather than instanced housing that everyone could have equal access to.

[ko_]

For some reason when it comes to housing you have people who are crazy hostile towards any form of QoL that involves making the system clearer and easier to understand. It's almost as if they feel threatened at the thought of more players being able to keep their houses.

I'm not threathen and I don't think anyone else is. The point everyone seems to be missing is OP himself didn't look into anything and lose his house because of it. And cause of his own mess up he's crying about quiting? Something he could've prevented in the first place? How is this a SE issue? and not a user issue?

[Penthea]

If they're wanting a house on a populated server, I could see good reason for this, honestly. SE really created a nasty situation when they chose to build neighborhoods that their servers couldn't fully support, rather than instanced housing that everyone could have equal access to.

Sorry I don't think it's good enough reason to justify players being punished by a system that seems designed to be unclear. The sort of attitude that's like "the system should remain unclear and awkward so I can get a house" is frankly mean and spiteful.

They should instead leave their server or devote their love for housing by advocating for the system to be improved. I know what it's like to not have a house. When I didn't have one I didn't become uppity or crazy whenever someone had ideas on improving the demolition system.

I'm not threathen and I don't think anyone else is. The point everyone seems to be missing is OP himself didn't look into anything and lose his house because of it. And cause of his own mess up he's crying about quiting? Something he could've prevented in the first place? How is this a SE issue? and not a user issue?

I am not only focusing on OP. The vast majority of my posts have been trying to highlight how badly demolition info is presented in the game. This affects far more people than just OP. Open your eyes.