Pushed to quit after 1,860 days subbed

[R-Pete-G]

...But not the definition of wilful. I'd have to know I was ignorant. You can be ignorant without being wilful; the wilful is an assumption on your part. You can assume all you want, but it doesn't make it true.

[Sigma-Astra]

...But not the definition of wilful. I'd have to know I was ignorant. You can be ignorant without being wilful; the wilful is an assumption on your part. You an assume all you want, but it doesn't make it true.

....You...that's not how ignorance works. You didn't know about auto-demolition or the timers after playing for five years...you even stated that you think it's silly to refer to outside sources for that kind of information. That alone makes you willfully ignorant about housing. It's very hard to feign or deny ignorance after stating such things.

[R-Pete-G]

....You...that's not how ignorance works. You didn't know about auto-demolition or the timers after playing for five years...you even stated that you think it's silly to refer to outside sources for that kind of information. That alone makes you willfully ignorant about housing. It's very hard to feign or deny ignorance after stating such things.

That's not how wilfulness works. You're talking specifically about wilful ignorance. Wilfulness is intent. Being wilfully ignorant is choosing not to educate yourself on a topic that you know you do not sufficiently understand. As I genuinely believed I knew everything I'd need to know to continue enjoying this feature over time, save for perhaps a few specific things about gardening that an apartment / private chambers hadn't taught me, there was no decision not to delve further.

At no point did I say it was "silly" to refer to outside sources for that kind of information - please don't now start inventing things to try and discount my opinion on the matter. I simply don't think it should be necessary to lean on resources external to the game to learn about a fundamental in-game system, because not only are they not objectively and universally regarded as required reading, but the game sets an overwhelming precedent in almost every other regard that it will tell you what you need to know without them.

I'm not trying to respond to your other opinions because I can see how immovably steadfast you are in your subjective opinion on how to play the game correctly. Ridiculously untenable or not, you're entitled to that. But when you make incorrect assumptions about my intent, it's a cop-out to try and make your point.

[Sigma-Astra]

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Alright, fine, since you genuinely believed that you knew everything that there was to know about housing. We can still say that you were ignorant about XIV housing for five years straight and that's why you lost your house and items, not just because you feel that SE set you up for failure and didn't explain it enough to you or made it more apparent in-game.

You may have not been willful, but you still were ignorant about the housing rules and regulations. You can't really deny that.

[R-Pete-G]

Alright, fine, since you genuinely believed that you knew everything that there was to know about housing. We can still say that you were ignorant about XIV housing for five years straight and that's why you lost your house and items, not just because you feel that SE set you up for failure and didn't explain it enough to you or made it more apparent in-game.

You may have not been willful, but you still were ignorant about the housing rules and regulations. You can't really deny that.

We got there in the end, thanks. Of course I was ignorant about how the system worked - that's a statement of fact. There's no inherent shame in ignorance; we're all ignorant of something. And despite the well-intentioned people posting in support of my position perhaps implying that it's entirely Squenix's fault, I was not. I appreciate this thread has gotten long, and a lot of people are chiming in, but that's why I insisted on correcting you where I felt that you had made an incorrect assumption about my motivations.