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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunako View Post
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    That's why I talked about rDPS, and not pDPS. The raid DPS contribution of the different jobs is their pDPS - raid Buffs + the amount they buffed party DPS. Rolled into pDPS are all the interactions you describe. BLM might not benefit as much from party buffs, but that doesn't matter of they do more DPS with buffs removed than a MCH anyways. The xivrpds logs I linked show the difference in the raid DPS contributions if you wanna click on 'em.

    http://www.xivrdps.com/encounters/vZ6mfd1VN4rycnhJ/1
    http://www.xivrdps.com/encounters/rqZDbkd1CMhRajW8/8

    If you look at these two different reports it's easy to see on the right hand side. Nox definitely has higher raid contributions than the BLM, but when you consider the DPS they bring it's still lower than the BLM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaulBan View Post
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    I mean even if mch rdps looks pretty low, mch still bring lot more rdps for other members than what blm would. Like drg would not get 600 rdps from piercing without mch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunako View Post
    I mean even if mch rdps looks pretty low, mch still bring lot more rdps for other members than what blm would. Like drg would not get 600 rdps from piercing without mch.
    If the rDPS gain on piercing is 600, 300 per ranged phys, and then you replace the MCH with a BLM, you gain rDPS (6624 => 7163) and then lose 300 from the piercing loss. Just doing this comparison, you still would gain 240 DPS.\

    edit: I take this back entirely because this is just a misunderstanding in full:

    Saying another job's rDPS goes down because another job is introduced is immaterial so long as the job that gets slotted out has higher rDPS than the job it replaced. Sure, a DRG might do 300 fewer rDPS than a BLM because it's not getting that piercing, but that 300 DPS it lost is just rolled into the normal rDPS of the BLM. It hasn't disappeared, you can't count it twice, it's just DPS not affected by the piercing. DRG's rDPS drops, but Overall DPS does not change because the effect of piercing was removed in the calculation. Raid buffs just drop, but the end rDPS of the group remains the same if you sum the damage on the right hand side. Or it goes up in the case of BLM vs MCH on O6S.
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    Last edited by DaulBan; 09-16-2018 at 06:21 PM.
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