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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic-Mal View Post
    I'm still playing Heavenward, please understand.

    EDIT: Curiosity bit me so I decided to take a look at the stat weights. It said Determination was 0.156 and Skill Speed was 0.155. I guess being stuck in HW world isn't that bad after all! Unless that source was wrong..
    What source are you looking at? Because the Massive 4.x BRD guide doesn’t use stat weights, and that’s the go-to source for most BRDs that want to optimize (along with Miyuri’s FAQs, and, last I checked, she didn’t list any stat weights in there either). I mean, the 2.40 GCD build may meld Skill Speed, but from the talk I’ve heard from other BRDs, no one ever uses it because the gains are higher when you go full DEX or full Crit; which one BRDs choose between those are strictly down to preference. I’ve been told by a couple theorycrafters that stat weights aren’t officially used anymore due to how easily they can be skewed.

    If you look at any Stormblood BRD guide, they advocate for melding as much Critical Hit as you can, followed by Direct Hit. Skill Speed is not a good stat on BRD given all the double weaving you do at optimal levels; the gains it gives your DoTs are minuscule compared to the gains you get from increased Crit (more crit = more procs = more damage). Combined with high ping, you will clip when you double-weave (which there is a lot of in both your opener and your general rotation)—and 4-stack Army’s Paeon gives you +16% haste, so then you’re really clipping everywhere (it’s advised to single-weave only in AP for that reason). The highest Skill Speed rating BRDs have with current BiS is 983 (High Crit build or 2x Tomestone Ring build), and they don’t exactly love it. They only take it because they gain almost 200 extra crit by taking 2 Tomestone rings (1 i370, and 1 i360).

    Coming from a BiS BRD, you don’t meld Skill Speed on a BRD. You meld Critical Hit, and then where you can’t meld Crit, Direct Hit. If you can’t meld Direct Hit on to something, then Determination. But never Skill Speed.

    EDIT: If you’re referring to this post, 99.9% certain that was a joke post, so you probably shouldn’t go by it. Considering the “stat weights” were from auto-attack dummy parses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    What source are you looking at? Because the Massive 4.x BRD guide doesn’t use stat weights, and that’s the go-to source for most BRDs that want to optimize (along with Miyuri’s FAQs, and, last I checked, she didn’t list any stat weights in there either). I mean, the 2.40 GCD build may meld Skill Speed, but from the talk I’ve heard from other BRDs, no one ever uses it because the gains are higher when you go full DEX or full Crit; which one BRDs choose between those are strictly down to preference. I’ve been told by a couple theorycrafters that stat weights aren’t officially used anymore due to how easily they can be skewed.

    If you look at any Stormblood BRD guide, they advocate for melding as much Critical Hit as you can, followed by Direct Hit. Skill Speed is not a good stat on BRD given all the double weaving you do at optimal levels; the gains it gives your DoTs are minuscule compared to the gains you get from increased Crit (more crit = more procs = more damage). Combined with high ping, you will clip when you double-weave (which there is a lot of in both your opener and your general rotation)—and 4-stack Army’s Paeon gives you +16% haste, so then you’re really clipping everywhere (it’s advised to single-weave only in AP for that reason). The highest Skill Speed rating BRDs have with current BiS is 983 (High Crit build or 2x Tomestone Ring build), and they don’t exactly love it. They only take it because they gain almost 200 extra crit by taking 2 Tomestone rings (1 i370, and 1 i360).

    Coming from a BiS BRD, you don’t meld Skill Speed on a BRD. You meld Critical Hit, and then where you can’t meld Crit, Direct Hit. If you can’t meld Direct Hit on to something, then Determination. But never Skill Speed.
    It was this:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._of_patch_425/

    Don't worry I know Crit comes first. I have Crit > Skill Speed > Direct Hit but only because I still haven't done Ridorana yet for the tome weapon upgrade. Once I get it it would be back to Crit > Direct Hit > Skill Speed. When I took a break I still had the Susano Bow equipped, so that's what I'm still currently holding.

    I only have 2,178 Crit though because I'm still gearing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic-Mal View Post
    It was this:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._of_patch_425/

    Don't worry I know Crit comes first. I have Crit > Skill Speed > Direct Hit but only because I still haven't done Ridorana yet for the tome weapon upgrade. Once I get it it would be back to Crit > Direct Hit > Skill Speed. When I took a break I still had the Susano Bow equipped, so that's what I'm still currently holding.
    I edited my post—that post is a joke post. The “weights” were based off of auto-attack dummy parses.

    BRD stat priority is Crit > D.Hit > Det. You don’t ever meld Skill Speed on BRD. I’m not really referring to the gear already having the substats on them—though you try to avoid Skill Speed as much as possible; the Tomestone body is absolute garbage and you’ll be better off with an i360 Augmented Crafted body—I’m referring to actually melding Skill Speed. You don’t do that.
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