We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[ko_]

I want more things like Rath ex. I love that they changed an extreme up to be as different as that is. And we almost didn't get THAT. They were going to be as safe as possible but thank GOD capcom went all in. Because of capcom SE had to out do them and we got Rath. I wasn't of the opinion that SE needed to look at other games but Capcom proved me wrong. SE... look at other games.. get inspired like you did with Rath ex and give us some differentt and punishing content for higher levels. I'm asking for this and I normally DON'T cause I see too many fail parties. Even in rath... but you did something right in that fight. It took a freaking chance. DO MORE. That's all I;m asking.

[Alleo]

To be honest. I bet the devs say that NOW! With diffculty, with raiding, and with euerka. I can see them saying that already. " but you wanted things to be easier, and wanted FF11 systems in XIV." :c

They did kinda say that about Pagos. How people just did not get it and how they just need to learn to play it..x) that really feels like "why are you not loving the content we like?"

[Sigma-Astra]

They did kinda say that about Pagos. How people just did not get it and how they just need to learn to play it..x) that really feels like "why are you not loving the content we like?"

Well, to be fair, the playerbase always give vague definitions of what they want like with Eureka and the bunny outfit, then get upset when the devs work with those vague ideas and its still not what people had wanted initially. At that point, I can imagine the devs being confused like "...but this is what you asked for in the beginning...". People said that they missed and wanted XI aspects in Eureka, well, this is what they came up with based just off of that notion. It has less to do with "what they like" themselves and more to do with "but this is what you asked for, yet you weren't clear with what you wanted and this is what you got, and now we're not sure how to fix it".

[Alleo]

I agree that there is different opinions in the playerbase, but not all ideas are vague. There were big threads about Diadem and the first part of Eureka with exactly what people disliked and what they would like. The same with for example LoV. People wanted something like Pokemon and they did something completely different. Also people did find the train for example bearable enough yet somehow they decided to first kill that. And if people want something out of a game then as a dev you still have the responsibility to make it into something that would fit with the battle system of FF14.

[Magic-Mal]

So I just ran into this issue again:


It just made me remember how this has actually been something I've been desperately wishing to be changed. I want to be able to buy duplicate armor pieces! For a game that encourages you to level up every job and makes catch-up patches to gear up alts, the fact that we still can't buy duplicate armor pieces in Stormblood is just embarrassing..

The story behind the pic is that my BRD is still wearing those i340 gloves currently from when I left before. I went to go try and buy the gloves for my MCH as shown in the pic, forgetting about this system for that moment and that's what I got. Why not wear my the ones my BRD uses? The Bard's gloves have Skill Speed VI in them which isn't useful for MCH. Having those gloves would've been the perfect upgrade from the Genta gloves it currently has on them but nope I'm screwed. My MCH also can't wear anything else my BRD has because they have different melds I want for them. This leaves me stuck so I just say screw it and fine the best weaker piece I can find.

For dungeons and raids, simply make it where people who already own a piece that drops from a raid, dungeon, or 24man are not given the option to Need, only Greed or Pass. Just.. anything to fix this. We absolutely should have the freedom to buy duplicate pieces of gear just for customization's sake alone. And not only that, but hey, we'd be able to desynth a lot better.

Please SE.

[MoroMurasaki]

So I just ran into this issue again:


It just made me remember how this has actually been something I've been desperately wishing to be changed. I want to be able to buy duplicate armor pieces! For a game that encourages you to level up every job and makes catch-up patches to gear up alts, the fact that we still can't buy duplicate armor pieces in Stormblood is just embarrassing..

The story behind the pic is that my BRD is still wearing those i340 gloves currently from when I left before. I went to go try and buy the gloves for my MCH as shown in the pic, forgetting about this system for that moment and that's what I got. Why not wear my the ones my BRD uses? The Bard's gloves have Skill Speed VI in them which isn't useful for MCH. Having those gloves would've been the perfect upgrade from the Genta gloves it currently has on them but nope I'm screwed. My MCH also can't wear anything else my BRD has because they have different melds I want for them. This leaves me stuck so I just say screw it and fine the best weaker piece I can find.

For dungeons and raids, simply make it where people who already own a piece that drops from a raid, dungeon, or 24man are not given the option to Need, only Greed or Pass. Just.. anything to fix this. We absolutely should have the freedom to buy duplicate pieces of gear just for customization's sake alone. And not only that, but hey, we'd be able to desynth a lot better.

Please SE.

For the record I very much agree that this is an annoying thing which it would be nice if they remedied. There is no use in even having a restriction really, the only thing that might change is people doubling up on certain rings. It really doesn't seem like a necessary roadblock.

That aside everything I know about BRD and everything I've heard from every BRD main I know is about maximizing Crit then DH and then taking Det over Sks. I don't want to tell you for sure what would have been BiS from that tier, I certainly don't know as I don't main BRD, but I just thought it was worth mentioning. Melding SkS seems kinda backwards.

[Dzian]

Well, to be fair, the playerbase always give vague definitions of what they want like with Eureka and the bunny outfit, then get upset when the devs work with those vague ideas and its still not what people had wanted initially. At that point, I can imagine the devs being confused like "...but this is what you asked for in the beginning...". People said that they missed and wanted XI aspects in Eureka, well, this is what they came up with based just off of that notion. It has less to do with "what they like" themselves and more to do with "but this is what you asked for, yet you weren't clear with what you wanted and this is what you got, and now we're not sure how to fix it".

Generally the playerbase isn't that vague at all. They will quite often go into massive amounts of detail about what they'd like to see and how it could work. The problem is the devs don't listen to them. And basically just wing everything and wonder why everything gets such critisism and complaints.

With Eureka for example players were quite specific in saying they wanted some real structured endgame content similar to the amazing end game stuff ffxi had. Sky Sea Dynamis Limbus. Any of those things. These Players even went on to say how they could fit the XIV world. But all the devs heard was "blah blah blah FFXI blah blah blah" and thus what we got with eureka was lol valkurm dunes exp grind mixed with fates. and then the devs turn around and say "but this is what you wanted...." NO NO NO It isn't.

Diadem again When they launched that players hated it. Gave a bucket load of feedback as to why they hated it. The devs then took it down worked on it. Relaunched it and obviously hadn't heard a single word players had said because it was even worse than the first iteration. Players absolutely hate fates yet they keep on adding more and more and more...

The same has happened many times. Even with the glamour system players asked for a glamour log gave examples of details of how it could work and be almost limitless in storage capacity but again what the devs did was some overly complex glamour dresser system highly restrictive and very limited in capacity and uses far more server resources than it ever needed to. a million miles from what players wanted.

[KaldeaSahaline]

I want more things like Rath ex. I love that they changed an extreme up to be as different as that is. And we almost didn't get THAT. They were going to be as safe as possible but thank GOD capcom went all in. Because of capcom SE had to out do them and we got Rath. I wasn't of the opinion that SE needed to look at other games but Capcom proved me wrong. SE... look at other games.. get inspired like you did with Rath ex and give us some differentt and punishing content for higher levels. I'm asking for this and I normally DON'T cause I see too many fail parties. Even in rath... but you did something right in that fight. It took a freaking chance. DO MORE. That's all I;m asking.

Rath EX is a good start, but has its own bucket of issues. I won't go into them here, they're fairly well documented elsewhere.

However, in terms of quality MHW wins hands down.

To put it into context, when I saw the FF14 crossover in MHW I literally put the game in my cart. Seeing Rathlos in FF14? Just another trial.

The idea of being able to play a DRG in MHW world? That's awesome.

Look at Noctis in T7. It's another example of another company using SE assets and doing it better than SE can. They need that to be a wakeup for them that they're squandering some of the best assets in the business with awful implementation.

I shudder at whatever Rathalos was going to be before they saw how embarrassingly good Capcom did with Behemoth and DRG.

[Yellow]

This is a really fantastic post Magic-Mal. I think we need to see the FATE system expanded and introduce more ways of gearing up. We need to improve the combat system because oh my god it is in a pretty bad situation - it is so stale, everything feels so flat, and I personally think it needs to feel more organic and reactive. We need end-game content that puts people back into the open world and not AFKing in cities for DF. I've been playing WoW Battle For Azeroth and honestly, I'm really really impressed. As someone who quit after Cataclysm, I think the WoW devs have worked out ways to keep the game feeling alive and fresh. Open world PvP, world quests, mythic content, and raids are really great - I haven't had that much fun playing an MMORPG in years.

People who are arguing against improving the game are not helping the situation. If you love this game so much then you should be encouraging positive changes, not trying to stop change. That's not how you keep people interested in playing, and the last thing you want to do is make this game less popular. God, some people can be so shortsighted and insufferable.

I can't believe I unsubbed from FFXIV to play WoW again - I genuinely thought I'd never go back after the trainwrecks that were Cataclysm, MoP, and WoD. I enjoy the story in FF, so I'm always happy to sub for a month and play the content for whatever patch comes out, but nothing is keeping me around. The community needs some work too - I've been really put off this expansion from the toxic elitism plaguing the game. At the end of the day, people like myself will choose to go elsewhere if there's nothing keeping us here, even if we have been here since the very beginning (1.xx). I really want meaningful, challenging, and fun content. It's not easy but clearly the devs are talented so I'll leave it up to them. The choice is theres to make if they want us to stay.

[Magic-Mal]

For the record I very much agree that this is an annoying thing which it would be nice if they remedied. There is no use in even having a restriction really, the only thing that might change is people doubling up on certain rings. It really doesn't seem like a necessary roadblock.

That aside everything I know about BRD and everything I've heard from every BRD main I know is about maximizing Crit then DH and then taking Det over Sks. I don't want to tell you for sure what would have been BiS from that tier, I certainly don't know as I don't main BRD, but I just thought it was worth mentioning. Melding SkS seems kinda backwards.

I'm still playing Heavenward, please understand.

EDIT: Curiosity bit me so I decided to take a look at the stat weights. It said Determination was 0.156 and Skill Speed was 0.155. I guess being stuck in HW world isn't that bad after all! Unless that source was wrong..